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The Great Etienne Allaire Debate!!!
Posted by: Michael Allaire (ID *****9299) Date: February 23, 2006 at 22:44:06
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There is a definite error in the genealogical records concerning Etienne Allaire (the son and/or grandson of Charles Allaire (1637 - 1687)).

Marie-Marguerite (Amiel-Lusignan) Allaire (1710 - ????) was either the second wife to Etienne Allaire (1683 – 1753), or the wife of Etienne’s son also called Etienne Allaire (1711 - ????). About half the genealogies I have found show one, the other half show the other. I have been unable to find any records that even mention the discrepancy. No record exclusively shows which of the two situations is the correct one. One can’t even conclude through logic by looking at birth and death dates of everyone involved to determine which is correct.

Etienne Allaire (1683 – 1753) however would have been 53 years old if he married Marie-Marguerite, and 61 years old when their last child was born. Given his age, I don’t think he took Marie-Marguerite as his second wife, but it is still possible.

Etienne Allaire (1711 - ????) would have been 25 years old if he married Marie-Marguerite, and 33 when their last child was born (this situation is more likely).

To complicate matters further, one of these two Etienne Allaire individuals married Josette Amiel-Lusignan on 1 Dec 1736. Which Etienne was married to her? They had no children according to one source. Although, you will notice children were born to Etienne after that marriage date.

Then I found a reference saying one of those two Etienne Allaire individuals married Marguerite Fortin Aug 13 1753 at St-Ours. At least this date was after all children were born.

Finally there is a third Etienne Allaire (1705-1706), born to Etienne Allaire (1683 – 1753) and Marie-Anne (Bilaudeau) Allaire (1685 - 1751) I have yet to mention. He died shortly after birth, so I didn’t think he would enter the picture. However I found an alternate death date for him of May 21 1731 at St-Ours. Perhaps he did live to adulthood, and this may further explain the controversy.

There is also some discrepancy with the children. I have found some genealogies that have omitted some of them. My list of children has been pieced together from multiple sources. If the great Etienne Allaire Debate is ever solved, perhaps this will be understood at that time. If any Etienne Allaire did indeed have more then one wife, it would be nice to figure out which child came from which wife.

Perhaps there were other people named Etienne Allaire unrelated to this lineage living in the same place at the same time, that may also explain some of the controversy.

I suspect that different people tracing the genealogy found original documents naming Etienne Allaire, but didn’t realize that there was more then one, and therefore reached different genealogical conclusions without realizing. All genealogies are therefore suspect, regardless to how definitive you believe it to be.

Does anyone have original documents or know where to find them? Has anyone ever found mention of this problem, and perhaps any mention to a solution?

Here is a rough copy of my records on the two Etienne Allaire individuals. Unfortunately I have pieced information together from too many sources and did not keep track. Also note that my records reflect the believe that Marie-Marguerite was married to the son, not to the father.

Etienne Allaire (1683 – 1753)
Born: 20 Oct 1683 St-Francois, I.o., Quebec
Christened: 22 Oct 1683 St-Francois, I.o. Qu
Died: 1753 Qc
Parents: Charles Allaire (1637 - 1687) and Catherine
(Fièvre) Allaire (1646 - 1709)
Spouse: Marie-Anne (Bilaudeau) Allaire (1685 - 1751)
Married 25 Nov 1705 St. Francois, Ile D'orleans, Qu Children:
Etienne (1705 - 1706)
b Dec 21 1705 St-François Î.O.
d Jan 09 1706 St-François Î.O.
d May 21 1731 at St-Ours (alternate death date)
Marie-Catherine (1706 - ????)
b November 15 1706 Ste-Famille Î.O.
m Pierre Menard dit StOnge Feb 26 1726 at
Mariefrancoise (Marie) (1708 - ????)
b Sep 13 1708 Ste-Famille Î.O.
m Francois Dupre dit Mikimac 25mar1729 at
Marie Angelique (1710 - 1731)
b June 16 1710 Ste-Famille Î.O.
d Jul 21 1731 at Contrecoeur
Etienne (1711 - ????)
b Nov 21 1711 Ste-Famille Î.O.
Marie-Elisabeth (1713 - 1714)
b Mar 05 1714 Ste-Famille Î.O.
d May 9 1714 Ste-Famille IO
Jean-Baptiste (1715 - 1716)
b Apr 21 1715 Ste-Famille Î.O.
d Sep 26 1716 Ste-Famille Î.O.
Jacques (1717 - ????)
b Jan 17 1717 Ste-Famille Î.O.
m Thérèse Amiel dit Lusignan Dec 1 1736 Contrecoeur
Pierre François (1718 - ????)
b Aug 18 1718 Château-Richer
m Marie-Louise Émery dit Coderre Feb 11 1743 at
Jean-Baptiste (1720-????)
b Apr 07 1720 Ste-Famille Î.O.
m Antoinette Émery dit Coderre Jan 8 1747 at
Théophile (1722 - ????)
b Jan 31 1722 Ste-Famille Î.O.
m Marie-Amable Ménard dit St Onge Mar 5 1753 at
m Claire-Félicité Audet dit Lapointe Mar 31 1761
Marie Anne (1723 – 1731)
b Aug 16 1723 Ste-Famille Î.O.
d Jul 26 1731 at St-Ours
Marie Josèphe (1725 - ????)
b Oct 28 1725 Contrecoeur
m Joseph Dufault dit Raclos Jan 27 1744 at

Etienne Allaire (1711 - ????)
Born: 1711
Died: ????
Parents: Etienne Allaire (1683 - 1753) and Marie-Anne
(Bilaudeau) Allaire (1685 - 1751)
Spouse: Marie-Marguerite (Amiel-Lusignan) Allaire (1710 -
????)Married: Dec 1 1736 or 1731 Contrecoeur,
Verchères, Québec
Spouse? Josette Amiel-Lusignan (married 1 Dec 1736)
Spouse? Marguerite Fortin (married Aug 13 1753 at St-
Charles Allaire (1732-1732)
b 9sep1732 at Vercheres
d 12oct1732 at Contrecoeur
Andre Allaire (1733-????)
b 3oct1733 at Contrecoeur
Marie-Angelique Allaire (1734-????)
b 23jan1735 at Contrecoeur,
m Jean Baptiste Lamoureux 18nov1754 at St-Ours
François-Marie Allaire (1736-1817)
b 19nov1736 at Contrecoeur
m Marie Ursule Francoise Labossiere 31mar1761
at Contrecoeur
Marie-Marguerite Allaire (1738-????)
b 9oct1738 at Contrecoeur,
m Joseph Pierre Desautels dit Lapointe 4oct1756 at
Marie Louise Allaire (1739-????)
Charles Allaire (1738 or 1739-????)
b 4mar1740 at Contrecoeur,
m Marie Catherine Hus dit Paul 19nov1764 at Sorel
Marie-Elisabeth Allaire (1742 - 1742)
b 24may1742 at Contrecoeur,
d 1jul1742 at ContrecoeurMarie Ursule Allaire
Marie-Amable Allaire (1744 - 1745)
b 26apr1744 at Contrecoeur,
d 29may1745 at Contrecoeur

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