Cathy - I believe what we're writing here is confusing the readers. We agree so far and have settled on somewhat conflicting data that the father of John "A" or John "N" is John W. Barnhill (b. 1733). To the best of my knowledge, John W. Barnhill (b. 1761) was William's brother (b. 1763). He married Elizabeth Harper (b. 1773)in Halifax County, North Carolina and the couple moved to Tennesse about 1806. James Barnhill (b. 1756) was the oldest of the three brothers. I have no evidence of John W. Barnhill's (b. 1761) marriage to Anne Bass (Hays) Dortch.She was married to Parsons Carter in 1805 and they eventually had children named William Dortch Carter (b. 30 Jan 1808) and John Dortch Carter (b. 15 Oct 1819). I'm sorry, but these facts just have a tendancy to confuse the issue. If I had something to back me up, I would conclude these two boys took the name of "Barnhill", made their way up to Natchez to seek their fortunes. BUT - I can't document it, so I will just keep it in my mind for future reference. For all of you CARTER researchers out there, you can probably dismiss all of this. HOWEVER, I must mention that a son of this William Dortch Carter (William Lafeyette Carter b. 1837) married Martha Barnhill (daughter of John David Barnhill and Elizabeth (Smith) Calhoun. They lived in Waco, Texas. By now, you should be totally confused. To straighten this mess out, think - Elizabeth Smith Calcoun was married twice. Have fun with this, gang.