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Re: DAR Credibility Suffers in handlling Bates application - ask for details
Posted by: MiMi Marshall (ID *****4739) Date: May 13, 2011 at 12:19:12
In Reply to: DAR Credibility Suffers in handlling Bates application - ask for details by Wayne Witt Bates of 8066

I do not represent DAR, though, as a member, I do defend DAR's genealogy policies. I am a Bates descendant and speak as a genealogist and in the interest of my Bates/Bradshaw ancestors.

I descend from Moses Bradshaw and Sarah (Sally) Bates. I THINK Sarah's dad was a John Bates of Franklin County. VA. Moses and Sally married in 1792 in Franklin Co.

At the present time, my DAR lineage consists of 13 proven ancestors. I have worked hard getting documentations, etc. and have even proven 3 brand new patriots, which is the part that really feels good. While there are many proven patriots in DAR, there are more out there who have not been submitted or proven as ancestors to DAR members. Individual members strive to find and provide solid proofs on new patriots, as they all do deserve to be remembered.

I have about 6 lines I cannot irrefutably prove to the genealogists' satisfaction.

*****THAT IS OK.*****

I continue to work on them knowing that what is shown in the records is rock solid once I have PROVEN their lines beyond doubt.

There are some OLD lines that are not pristine because resources were not easy to find in the early 1900s. DAR has closed those lines TO NEW APPLICANTS until the lineage can be verified by document and not by word of mouth. Many members do the research and clear up those old lines.

Please don't trash DAR for trying to provide unquestionable lineages. Just please be patient and continue to search for your Reuben Bates, just as my 20 year quest for my Isaac White continues.

DNA testing is still in its infancy. I do not understand all these codes, etc. and can even question why, if this is a truly valid means of proof, it is so jumbled and confusing to those of us who would like to use the resources. Surely this is not as valid as a birth certificate, marriage license, etc. if it cannot even be understood by the lay person.

It defies understanding that this can be irrefutable proof if those folks have been dead over 200 years and their DNA is not available. Does someone plant a request to God on a note beneath their pillow at night and hope He will leave a spot of DNA for them to find in the morning? I know this sounds silly, but that's how silly this whole DNA concept seems to me. Where does it come from and if it's so good, why is this league of elite men who are the only ones on whom relationship can hinge? With all the mothers mixed in, there just can't be 100% guarantees. and your charts show possibilities...not certainties!

So, how could anyone expect a birthright society to accept a line that's (quoting a message from Witt Bates):

[quote] In comparing Y-DNA12 markers, which show 1 mismatch, the probability that (3954) Harvey D. Bates and (104909) Eric Stuart Bates shared a common ancestor within the last...
...4 generations is 7.48%.
...8 generations is 20.93%.
...12 generations is 35.58%.
...16 generations is 49.18%.
...20 generations is 60.83%.
...24 generations is 70.32%. [unquote]

This does not show irrefutable proof of anything IMHO. Guess that's why DAR credibility is suffering? Looks more to me like DNA in genealogy lacks credibility....

Thanks for listening.

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