many thanks for your reply. wow thats a lot of info to take in but wonderful info none the less. i will go through and add all the details to my caddy branch of my tree thankyou very much for the details. it certainly saves me a trip to lichfield records office (its only up the road from me as i live in staffs but with 3 small children i simply cant find the time for a good long visit to go through it all)
many thanks again and plaese keep in touch
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