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Maggie Curl, daughter of Maggie E and Thomas E Curl (Ohio/Iowa/Kansas)
Posted by: Sean Newton (ID *****6750) Date: May 22, 2010 at 14:15:30
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I'm searching for ancestors of Herbert Addison Sayre and Maggie Curl. The Sayre side is fairly simple, there seems to be fairly solid documention on that side. The Curl side seems a bit more tangled.

I'm starting knowing that my grandfather was Clarence Herbert Sayre, m. Alice Marie Allen, son of Herbert Sayre and Margaret/Maggie Curl, with a sister of Pauline.

I'm not really sure how to present the data I've discovered so far, so I'll try to summarize then list sources at the end.

Maggie Curl was the daughter of Thomas E Curl and Maggie E (unknown maiden name). At first, because of the 1900 record listed belowe, I assumed that Thomas E Curl had a father named Thomas E also. In the 1900 census Thomas is listed as a male, born abt 1860, a widower. In 1880 and 1885, a Thomas E, b. 1831, is living with Maggie E. I thought this was her husband's dad because of the age difference and the fact that Thomas, in 1900, is a widower.

This gets a bit more complex. Suddenly, in 1905, a Mrs T E is listed as a widow. Looking at the image of 1900, it actually looks as though the sex of Thomas was female, scratched out and made male. I think Maggie E used her husband's name and whoever tallied the 1900 data saw the name Thomas and figure it was a mistake and changed it.

So, I now think Thomas E Curl, b. 1831 Ohio, married Maggie E, b. Aug 1860 Iowa. They seem to have no children in 1880, so I assume that Hary, Maggie, Olive, Goldia and Harold are the children of both of them. Thomas E is old enough that he could very well have had a previous wife and children. It may also be possible that Maggie E was pregnant with Hary before Thomas E married her?

Anyway, Thomas E Curl seems to have died between 1885 and 1900.

Does this all seem plausible? Does anyone have any further info on Thomas E Curl or Maggie E?

Year: 1880; Census Place: Junction, Davis, Kansas; Roll 379; Family History Film: 1254379; Page: 237B; Enumeration District: 54; Image: 0035
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6742&iid=4241246-00038&fn=Thomas+E.&ln=Curl&st=r&ssrc=pt_t18074911_p616570463_g32768&pid=26409457
Thomas E Curl, 50, b. abt 1831 Ohio, a boarder of the Bartlett household, a travelling salesman. Both parents born in Ohio.
A Margret E Curl, 20, b. abt 1860 Iowa, resides there, too, also a boarder. Both parents born in Pennsylvania.

1885 Kansas Territory Census. Microfilm reel K-1. Kansas State Historical Society
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1088&iid=ks1885_138-0623&fn=Thomas&ln=Curl&st=r&ssrc=pt_t18074911_p616570463_g32768&pid=751670
http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1088&path=1885.Washington.Washington.8&sid=&gskw=Thomas+Curl&cr=1
Thomas Curl, 54, b. abt 1831 Ohio, a trader. Married.
Maggie, 24, b. abt 1860 Iowa
Hary, 5, b. abt 1880 Kansas
Maggie, 1 1/2, b. abt 1883 Kansas

Year: 1900; Census Place: Chanute, Neosho, Kansas; Roll T623_ 492; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 149
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7602&iid=004120157_00556&fn=Thomas+G&ln=Curl&st=r&ssrc=pt_t18074911_p616563975_g32768&pid=16981187
Thomas Curl, widower, is listed as head of the household. b. Aug 1860 Iowa with parents both born in Ohio.
He has the following children:
Maggie, daughter, b. Sep 1883 Kansas, father born Ohio, mother born Iowa
Olive, daughter, b. Feb 1890 Missouri, father born Ohio, mother born Iowa
Goldia, daughter, b. Apr 1893 Oklahoma, father born Ohio, mother born Iowa
Harold, daughter, b. Jul 1895 Oklahoma, father born Ohio, mother born Iowa
Notes: Thomas's sex on this form is crossed out and changed to M from F. The age is that of Maggie E as well as the birthplace, but the parent birthplace given is Thomas E's. I assume Hary died.

1905 Kansas State Census. Microfilm reels K-1 - K-181. Kansas State Historical Society
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1088&iid=ks1905_110-0571&fn=T+E&ln=Curl&st=r&ssrc=pt_t18074911_p616570336_g32768&pid=5087000
http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1088&path=1905.Neosho.Chanute.225&sid=&gskw=T+E+Curl&cr=1
Mrs. T E Curl, 45, b. abt 1860 Iowa
Olive, 15, b. abt 1890 Missouri
Goldia, 10, b. abt 1895 Oklahoma
Harold, 8, b. abt 1897 Oklahoma
Maggie Sayre, 21, b. abt 1884 Kansas
Bert Sayre, 29, b. abt 1876 Kansas
Notes: Herbert listed birthplace as Kansas. It was Illinois.

Year: 1910; Census Place: Neodesha Ward 3, Wilson, Kansas; Roll T624_459; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 220; Image: 1330
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7884&iid=KST624_459-1330&fn=Margrett&ln=Carl&st=r&ssrc=pt_t18074911_p616570336_g32768&pid=8304502
Horris Haynes is married to Olive, has a son and his mother-in-law and brother-in-law live with him:
Olive, 20, b. abt 1890 Missouri, father born Ohio, mother born Iowa
Margrett, 49, b. abt 1861 Iowa, father born Indianna, mother Ohio. Margrette is a widow and a mother of 4, all 4 of which lived.
Harold, 15, b. abt 1895 Oklahoma, father born Ohio, mother born Iowa
Notes: Margaret's parents' birthplace seems to differ here. 1880, both were listed as Pennsylvania, now it's Indianna and Ohio. She also shows as having 4 children that all lived. Hary doesn't seem to be counted, should have been 4 of 5 children that lived.

Year: 1920;Census Place: Eldorado Ward 2, Butler, Kansas; Roll T625_524; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 16; Image: 101
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6061&iid=4300841_00101&fn=Margaret&ln=Sayre&st=r&ssrc=pt_t18074911_p603048148_g32768&pid=64902462
Herbert Sayre, 42, b. abt 1878 Illinois, father born New Jersey, mother born Illinois
Margaret, 36, b. abt 1884 Kansas, father born Ohio, mother born Iowa
Clarence H, 14, b. abt 1906 Kansas, father born Illinois, mother born Iowa
Pauline, 10, b. abt 1910 Kansas, father born Illinois, mother born Iowa

1925 Kansas State Census. Microfilm reels K-1 K-177. Kansas State Historical Society
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1088&iid=KS1925_14-0017&fn=Margaret&ln=Sayer&st=r&ssrc=pt_t18074911_p603048148_g32768&pid=8156052
HA [Herbert Addison] Sayre, 49, b. abt 1876 Kansas
Margaret, 42, b. abt 1883 Kansas
EH [Clarence H], 21, b. abt 1904 Kansas
Elle [Alice], 21, b. abt 1904 Kansas
Rauline [Pauline], 21, b. abt 1910 Kansas
Paul L, 1, b. abt 1924 Kansas

Year: 1930; Census Place: El Dorado, Butler, Kansas; Roll 695; Page: 25A; Enumeration District: 16; Image: 287.0
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6224&iid=KST626_695-0287&fn=Margaret&ln=Saye&st=r&ssrc=pt_t18074911_p603048148_g32768&pid=1105444519
Herbert Sayre, 54, b. abt 1876 Illinois, father born Illinois, mother born Illinois
Margaret, 47, b. abt 1883 Missouri, father born Ohio, mother born Missouri
Pauline, 20, b. abt 1910 Kansas, father born Illinois, mother born Missouri


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