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Re: Oneida Doxtators, or the Cornelius Dockstader Line
Posted by: Barbara Ranshaw (ID *****4227) Date: November 14, 2009 at 11:17:03
In Reply to: Re: Oneida Doxtators, or the Cornelius Dockstader Line by Charles Julian of 186


Glad to hear from you. I am trying to find the ancestors of Oneidas William Schuyler 1800 and Peter Schuyler 1816. I think one or both are the sons of Moses Schuyler or maybe one is the son of Hendrick Schuyler. Do you know the names of Moses children?

I find it odd that Blatcup would have adopted a nick name that was a German insult. If he understood it, he wouldn't have used it. If he didn't, the insult would have been empty. Why would they call him this name? He was a good warrior. The person I would expect to be called this is German Hanyost who collected a lot of insults.

Perhaps Blatcup was a German mishearing of Trathroop.

>"Blatcop's (Moses Schuyler's father)

Perhaps the interviewer added the part in brackets, that Blatcop was Moses father.

>"The mother of HonYerry Doxtator had a son by a German named Schuyler, who was the grandfather of Moses Schuyler. The latter's father was nick-named Platcoff, meaning Flat Head, a small man, who died about 1822, very aged (Han Yost Schuyler)."<

I think historians have erroneously given Honyere's brother the name Schuyler. "Sustained Losses" assign Captain Honyere and Lieut Honyost to different clans. So they had different mothers. How could they be brothers if they had different fathers? Both Honyere and Blatcop lost property when Oriska was damaged, but not Honyost?

It is very odd that Blatcop would be called Hanyost; Blatcop's name in "Losses Sustained" was Henry. This was a common name, not easily confused with another common name, Honyost!

Why was Blatcup called Philip Schuyler? I think that was a language problem. Haldiman thought Honyost Schuyler's Indian name translated to Schuyler so they used it for Philip.

>[So Aunt Polly knew the German Han Yost, who lived with the Oneidas, but is uncertain as to whether he could have been the father of the other Schuyler (Blatcup) – she recognizes them as having been two different people ].<

She might have thought it was a dumb question, the two men being the same age.

>The German Hanyost who lived at Oneida Castle wasn't born until 1744 though, so a problem would arise in his being the father of Blatcup ( who was born say 1742 ), or the grandfather of Moses Schuyler ( b. say 1776 ).<

How about the German Honyost being the same person as Blatcup? They were about the same age.

"Colonial History: Philip Schuyler" says Honyost was the son of David Schuyler and Barbara Elizabeth Herkimer and that he probably married an Oneida woman. "Mr. Schoolcraft, in his Report to the Legislature, 1846, refers to an Oneida Indian by the name of 'Moses Schuyler, son of Han Yost,’ and of another man of the same nation named Abraham Schuyler. Both were living at the time he made the census of the Indians in the State of New York, in 1845.
“Mrs. Cochran, youngest daughter of General Schuyler, said on one occasion that she had attended church in Utica, N.Y., and had sat at the communion table with Oneida Indians by the name of Schuyler. They were probably the descendants of Han Yost. Other persons have also mentioned meeting Oneida Indians named Schuyler. Mr. Schoolcraft also says in his Report: “The last persons executed for witchcraft among the Oneidas suffered about forty years ago (1805). They were two females. The executioner was the notorious Hon Yost of Revolutionary memory. He entered the lodge according to a prior decree of the Council, and struck them down with a tomahawk."
This would show that he had been adopted by the Oneidas, and made one of their sachems. It is not probable that they would have entrusted the execution of a capital sentence to a stranger.”

I would love to see DNA results!

Barb


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