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Re: Chief ORONO of the Penobscot nation in Maine/// For BLIN..
Posted by: melissa1 (ID *****3873) Date: March 12, 2005 at 08:22:46
In Reply to: Re: Chief ORONO of the Penobscot nation in Maine/// UPDATE... by Blin of 687

Hello Blin,
Apologies for being so long in answering you...no, I did not get my info from the Pied Cow, I found it on the internet which referenced an article done by a James Vickery for the ME Historical Soc. or something like that, so I had to write to the Univ. of ME to obtain a copy of the article.
It was Very interesting. I don't have a picture of the statue of Orono but wish I did.
Interesting to note that Many of the Maine American Indians do not look like what most people's typical picture of an Indian looks like.
They passed for whites a lot because of many of their mixings with the French etc. If you have access to the old census', in the 1870 or 1880 or perhaps its the 1910 census, I can't remember now...but the Indian census' for Maine at the bottom of the census gives what relations their people were...i.e. Father - Penobscot - Mother - Passamaquoddy etc.

I have Fannie Hardy Eckstorm's book on Old John Neptune and its a wonderful account of their life.

Somewhere around here I have a copy of Orono's signature and his mark was No seal. There was much conversation about this animal that he drew, and many I ~think~ claimed it was a Beaver. There was a Beaver clan among the Penboscot's.

My 5th grt. grandmother was Elizabeth DONALD (as her last name was spelled on her marriage record) and I have recently read that the name WAS Scottish. Did you see my posting here about the State Senator of MN who was a Dunnell (Mark H. Dunnell) who was born in Buxton, York Co., ME but said his family name was really DONALD and of the Scottish Clan DONALD (hence from the old MacDonald Clan).
This was a great find to me because it is KNOWN that Indians married Scots and my own 4th grt. grandparents are exactly that...a Scotsman who married an Indian woman.
Also the Scots often married amongst themselves, so because my 5th grt. grandfather James MOODY who married Elizabeth DONALD (commonly spelled Dunnell and Donnell in York Co., ME), and they had a son Joseph who married an Indian woman, keeps all of this in place and also Really peaked my interest in Chief Orono and his ~possible~ connection to the DONNELL's Donald's Dunnell's of York Co., Maine.

Look up pictures of Chief Big Thunder aka Frank Loring of the Penobscot Indians...he no more looks Indian than probably Chief Orono did. He also had blue eyes and was fair skinned and possibly light colored hair. He is all white headed in the pictures I've seen of him online.

My thoughts on this are that Chief Orono may very well have been ~raised~ to adulthood by the Castine's, but his Parents were in York Co., Maine where he was abducted as a very young boy.

This article you posted is Fabulous and I thank you for doing so. It has much very interesting information in it.

Thanks again


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