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Possible Parents for Dominic Engelmann and Elizabeth Ring
Posted by: George Gorrell (ID *****8999) Date: July 30, 2009 at 07:50:41
In Reply to: Re: Dominic Engelman b:April 8, 1859-Luxemburg, Germany by tess of 145

I have been searching for Dominic and Elzabeth's parents for a long time, and while I can't prove these are them, here is what I presently know, and suspect about their likely parents.


The search for Dominic Engelmann and Elizabeth Ringís parents.

If Dominic and Elizabeth followed a traditional naming pattern, then Dominicís parents would be Urban (1st son named after fathers father), and Marie Kathryn (2nd daughter named after fathers mother). Meanwhile Elizabethís parents would be Barbara (1st daughter named after mothers mother), and George (2nd son named after mothers father). For now I am going to ignore the unknown child who died before 1900.

Urban is an unusual enough name, that I have only found a couple of records that fit. One census:

1900 Census South township, Lake Co. Indiana Pg. 12B
Urbanus Engelmann b:Oct 1832 Married 44 years b: Luxumberg i: 1862 Farmer
Mary Engelmann b:Sept 1829 Married 44 years Children 7/7 b: Luxumburg i: 1862

**Some records list his name as Urban, but if you look closely you can see the us hidden under a notation.

And a couple of death certificates:

Peter Engleman b: February 3, 1856 in Luxenberg d: November 19, 1918 in Salt Lake City, Utah
       Parents listed as Urbanus Engleman (b: France), and Catherine Cook (b: Luxenberg)

Margaret Peake b: February 29, 1874 in Aurora Illinois d: March 7, 1922 in Salt Lake City, Utah
       Parents listed as Urbans Engelman (b:Luxemburg), and Catherina Koch (b: Luxemburg)

I also found an 1880 census, that I think has been misread (Urbanus is being read as Norbaum). I need to see an actual scanned copy of this to confirm it.

1880 Cottonwood, Adams, Nebraska
Norbaum Engelmann b: 1830 Luxembourg
Catherine Engelmann b: 1828 Luxembourg
Catherine Engelmann b: 1865 Luxembourg
Magdelina Engelmann b: 1867 Illinois
Annie Engelmann b: 1871 Illinois
Margaret Engelmann b: 1874 Illinois

Between these records we can account for 5 of Maryís 7 children (1880 census). Dominic was born April 1858 in Luxembourg (Urbanus and Catherine were still in Luxumbourg then, and we have a gap in the children about then), and he immigrated in 1863 (Urbanus and Catherine came over in 1862, but their daughter Catherine was born 1865 in Luxumbourg). Could Dominic be one of the two missing children? The 1870 census is the best bet to confirm this, however I have yet to find any of the Engelmanns in the 1870 census.

Another interesting fact to consider is that Around 1890 Peter Engleman (son of Urbanus and Catherine) married Elizabeth Clara Behrs (born: July 7, 1859 in New York. Daughter of John Paul Behrs, and Elizabeth Mertis (From her death certificate)). In the 1880 census, Dominic is living with the Behrs family in Chicago. The Behrs family includes John and Elizabeth Behrs, and several children, including Lizzie (born ~1863 in Illinois). While this is not a perfect match it does make me suspicious, especially since Behrs is not a common name. Also, in 1881 he married Therese Behrs (I still havenít been able to figure out which of the Behrs girls this was).


Moving on to the Ring family.

Searches for George and Barbara Ring give some interesting results:

1860 Census 1st Ward, Chicago, Illinois
Geo Ring b: 1828 Germany
Barbary Ring b: 1831 Prussia
Geo Ring b: 1854 Illinois
Ellen Ring b: 1851 Illinois
Margt Ring b: 1856 Illinois

** It is obvious this census taken liked appreviating names.

1880 Hyde Park, Cook County, Illinois
Barbara Ring (widowed) b: 1831 Prussia Keeps Meat Market
Ellen Sutherland (widowed) b: 1851 Illinois
Maggie Ring (Divorced) b: 1857 Illinois
Anna Ring b: 1861 Illinois
Elizebeth Ring b: 1867 Illinois
Emma Ring b: 1869 Illinois
Matilda Sutherland (granddaughter) b: 1868
Alice Sutherland (granddaughter) b: 1870

** Suspect Elizebeth (b: 1867) is our Elizabeth (born June 1868).

1900 Town of Lake, City of Chicago, Cook County, Illinois
Barbara Ring (widowed) b: Jan 1830 Germany Children 8/5 living i: 1842
Geo Ring (son) b: Jan 1854 Illinois Landlord
Chris Plummer (brother) b: April 1840 Germany i: 1845
Gertrude Schaefer (grand daughter) b: January 1886
Frank Schaefer (grand son) b: July 1891
Madaline Schafer (grand daughter) b: May 1894


Elizebeth is close to the right age for Elizabeth Blanch Ring (1 year off), and if they followed tradition, then here parents have the right names, Geo (short for George?), and Barbara. I suspect this is the right family. If I can find either Elizabeth and Dominicís marriage licence, or Elizabethís death certificate, perhaps those will include some family names (the 1870 census could also be usefull).


Anyone have any thoughts, or more information they would like to add?




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