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Posted by: Tim (ID *****0067) Date: September 06, 2008 at 12:43:51
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I have had my Y-DNA tested by two diferent organizations and I am posting the results here in hopes that some of you also have DNA results to compare. I will aslo add some of my personal thoughts on these two tests.

1. The National Genographic Genographic Project - Cost was around $100. It took about 9 weeks to receive the results. The results identified my particular "Haptlogroup" as R1a and gave a basic history of my groups ancient migration out of Africa. The report detailed the spread of R1a and I find it rather amazing that the most "pure" R1a population now resides in Iceland, especialy since R1a is more common in India and Pakistan than in Ireland or Scotland!!! Here are my Y-DNA results from the Genographic Project;

DSY 393 = 14
DSY 19 = 15
DSY 385a = 11
DSY 385b = 15
DSY 388 = 12
DSY 389-1 = 13
DSY 389-2 = 17
DSY 390 = 24
DSY 391 = 11
DSY 392 = 11
DSY 426 = 12
DSY 439 = 10

2. The Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation -

NEGATIVES - No report of any kind sent back to you. Time consuming to determine the results of your sample. It took about 5 or 6 months for the results to be added to their data base. Not all of the results are consistant to the different "lab standards".

POSITIVES - The results are applicable to the following "Lab Standards"; ISFG (International Society of Forensic Genetics),, DNA-Fingerprint, DNA-Heritage, Family Tree DNA, Genebase, Oxford Ancestors and Relative Genetics. The most positive thing about Sorenson is that it is FREE which in my opinion, out weighs all of the above mentioned negatives!!! Here are my Y-DNA results from Sorenson.

DSY 393 = 14
DSY 394/19 = 15
DSY 437 = 14
DSY 441 = 14 or 13 (See note 1)
DSY 442 = 17 or 12 (See note 2)
DYS 444 = 13
DYS 445 = 12
DYS 446 = 12
DYS 449 = 32
DYS 452 = 30
DYS 454 = 11
DYS 455 = 11
DYS 456 = 15
DYS 458 = 15 or 13 (See note 3)
DYS 459 = 9,10
DYS 461 = 11
DYS 462 = 11
DYS 463 = 24
DYS 464 = 12,15 and 16,16
DYS 635 = 23
GGAAT1B07 = 9
YGATAA10 = 15 or 17 (See note 4)

NOTE 1 - DYS 441 = 13 in the Family Tree and Relative Genetics DNA Lab Standards, in all other abouve listed standards DYS 441 = 14.

NOTE 2 - DYS 442 = 12 in the Family Tree and Relative Genetics DNA Lab Standards, in all other above listed standards DYS 442 = 17

NOTE 3 - DYS 458 = 13 in Genebase Lab Standard. In all others DYS 458 = 15

YGATAA10 = 15 in DAN-Fingerprint, Family Tree and Relative Genetics data bases.
YGATAA10 = 17 in ISFG, Ancestry, DNA-Heritage and Oxford Ancestors data bases.

The Sorenson data base only contains one other person with a surname of Esch. The comparison between our two y-DNA profiles leads to a possible common ancestor, but that connection is estimated as greater than 1550 years ago so I must say that for all "practical" purposes, the two of us are not related. I would love, a year or so from now, to see many Esch names listed in this data base. Sorenson is basicly free, (I think that I had to pay postage). They sent me a cup containing a liquid. I placed this liquid in my mouth (tasted like a mint flavored mouth wash), swirled it around a few times and then spit it back into the cup. This cup was sent back to Sorenson and that was all there was to it (other than the paper work).

I hope every Esch male on this list will takes advantage of Sorenson. I have been able to decifer my results and am willing to help any of you who might need assistance.

The other DNA research programs might be more comprehensive, be more "user friendly" with results but they are not free!

The Sorenson website is it gives more data on their requirements and instructions on obtaining a DNA kit.

I truely hope that 6 months from now, there will be many more Esch names in the data base and that we can compare our results.

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