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Re: Richard Frith laborer at the establishment of Jamestown colony
Posted by: Richard Thrift (ID *****5791) Date: August 25, 2010 at 17:34:11
In Reply to: Richard Frith laborer at the establishment of Jamestown colony by Michael Turley of 613

Much of your information seems to be based on the very imaginative accounts in LDS' IGI /FamilySearch. I would urge people not to place any faith at all in the information from the IGI concerning this era. Such clues can only be trusted if there is some other source to back them up. The repetition of the Frith surname, perhaps combined with uncritical reading of Tress Pittenger's A History Of My Thrift Ancestors,
http://www.vagenweb.org/shenandoah/thrifttressms.html
(which however does contain much useful information)
has led people to have utter faith that the Nathaniel Frith /Thrift who died ~1676 was descended from the two earlier Nathaniel Friths of VA (born in England?), and even Richard Frith, an original settler of Jamestown. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS that I am aware of.

Although the earlier Friths existed, WE DO NOT KNOW who Nathaniel Frith /Thrift's ancestors were. In particular there is NO reliable evidence that this line is descended from Richard Frith of the Virginia Company. If anyone comes across relevant documentation please let me know.

At one time I found on the internet a period document from the 2nd charter? of the Virginia Company listing (if I remember correctly) that Richard Frith had invested 25 pounds. This might be taken as evidence that he survived at least to that point in time. However that web site has since disappeared, and I haven't seen the document elsewhere.

In fact there were MANY Friths that we KNOW were transported to the colonies in the 1600s, and there are surely many more transported in the same era for whom we have no record. See
http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.frith/386/mb.ashx -Friths transported to Colony of Virginia 1637-1686
http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.frith/385/mb.ashx
-The King's Passengers to Maryland and Virginia By Peter Wilson Coldham

Almost any North American Frith (or Thrift) might have been descended from almost any of these immigrants. In the absence of reliable written documentation proving descendants of the immigrants, DNA testing combined with careful genealogical research is the ONLY way to glean clues as to which Frith lines might be related to the earliest known colonists of a given locale, and which North American lines might have originated in which specific locales in the British Isles. I hope DNA testing of many different Frith and Thrift lines will eventually provide more information.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Thrift-Frith-Firth/default.aspx
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thriftzzfrithzzfirth/

There is controversy over Elizabeth Parsons. If anyone has reliable evidence that an Elizabeth Parsons married a Frith, please let me know. On the other hand, there seems to be very good evidence that Elizabeth Parsons married a Thrift about 1695 or later (before 1736). Many people assume Elizabeth Parsons was married to Nathaniel Frith /Thrift who died ~1676. However from what I can dig up this Elizabeth Parsons Thrift was probably born after ~1677. As far as I can see there is NO evidence as to which Thrift she was married to, it might even have been a Thrift from some completely different line. See
http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.thrift/296/mb.ashx

Incidentally, it is currently thought that Roger Williams' wife Joan was NOT Jone Frith; this was an unfounded assumption, the relationship is not known. Nathaniel Frith may have married Joan Williams' sister?

I would sincerely appreciate reliable source material pertaining to any of these issues.

Richard Thrift


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