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Re: John Peter Gernert (abt. 1765 - aft. 1818) m. Anna BUDD
Posted by: Paul Newell (ID *****3766) Date: December 19, 2008 at 11:29:15
In Reply to: Re: John Peter Gernert (abt. 1765 - aft. 1818) m. Anna BUDD by Timothy Budd of 6

During our recent correspondence, I do not recall that you asked where I got the 1782 marriage date for John Peter Gernert and Anna BUDD. I have learned a few things about the Gernert family since 2005 when I posted my query on GenForum. Since learning about the 1785 ship’s passenger list it now seems highly unlikely they were married ca. 1782.

For what it’s worth, here’s how I came up with 1782:

1)A Bradford County history book states: "John Peter Gernert, a German, who had married Ann, daughter of Andrew Budd (I-120), evidently came with or soon after his father-in-law to Tioga Point. He lived in that neighborhood until the settlement of Columbia township when he moved there, being one of the first pioneers. After having established a home and become seemingly prosperous, he made a trip West which was the last ever known of him. His nine children became prosperous and useful men and women; they were Polly, Kate, William, Andrew, Barbara, Armenda, Casper, Sally and Solomon Clay.”
2)The correct order of births for the children of John and Anna has been verified from William through Solomon. Consequently, I assumed the birth order for Polly and Kate was correct, too. William was born 1788 in Philadelphia so I estimated Kate’s birth as 1786 and Polly’s birth as 1784. Then, I estimated the marriage date of John and Anna to be “about 1782.”
3)I found some information in the Gernert family file at the Bradford County Historical Society. My notes from that research trip indicate that in the file I found Polly’s date of birth recorded as “about 1784.” It could be that the author of the data in the Gernert file had also read the Bradford County history book and came to the same, seemingly erroneous, conclusions about Polly’s date of birth as I did.

Let us assume Polly and Kate were born in the birth gaps between William and Solomon. There are five opportunities between 1788 and 1810. So, William is the first child born July 1788. If we assume John and Anna were legally married before conceiving William Gernert then they must have been married by ca. October 1777. I am far from an expert on the topic of servitude. Was it possible for Anna to serve out her passage in a period of only two years from her date of arrival? Three to five years of servitude seem to be typical for that time. Perhaps John bought Anna out of servitude and then married her.

Like you, I find very little published about the activities of the Bott and Gernert families in Philadelphia. Even the reported activities at Tioga Point seem improbable when compared to the arrival of the ship at Philadelphia. I have discovered nothing at all about Mary or Barbara BUDD, a little about Capser Budd, and a fair amount on Anna BUDD and John B. Budd.

I am tracking a person through the early records that may be my John Peter Gernert. The name recorded in the tax and census records is “Peter Gardner” and the persons enumerated in that household are close to what we know of the Gernert family.

I would like to obtain copies of the 1785 passenger list showing Andreas and his family. Can you provide me with your point(s) of contact at the University of Chicago, or with the copies?

Paul E. Newell
Ellicott City, MD

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