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#1"GiNTER"+:;Aust.-Herbitzheim,Alsace,FrGE-MohawkHill,Lewis,NY-h/k,OH,MI.SD+:FGS
Posted by: M VONVILLE OH PA KY NY Alsace FR (ID *****7121) Date: March 19, 2005 at 21:02:41
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GUENTHER, GUNTHER, GUNTER, GINTHER, GINTER, GUINTHER, GONTER
FAMILY GROUP SHEET #1

OLDEST KNOWN "GUENTHER" GENERATION
ALL EVENTS OCCURRED IN "H" unless otherwise noted:
"H" = HERBITZHEIM (also called Herstom and Herston), Alsace, France

JEAN "GUNTER GUNTHER GUENTHER"
Birth: -- -- 1669 MARTENAU, TIROL, AUSTRIA (Martenau is now called
Elmen-Martenau)
Died: 10 JAN 1710 HERBITZHEIM (HERSTOM / HERSTON), ALSACE, FRANCE
(formerly Germany)

Married: 09 NOV 1688 SARRE-UNION

BAUER, APOLONIA
Birth: -- -- -- Death: 12 MAR 1734 H

9 Children of JEAN "GUENTHER" 1669-10JAN1710 and APOLONIA BAUER ---- M. 11
MAR 1768

1. GUENTHER, SAMUEL 1 FEB 1690 H D 11 MAR 1760 H
M 11 MAR 1760 H STOCKER ANNE MARIE -- -- 1688 D 22 AUG 1750 H
2. GUENTHER, EVE ELISABETH 10 NOV 1693 H M.... SIMONEAUX,..., JACQUES
3. GUENTHER, ANNE MARIE 20 JUL 1695 H
4. GUENTHER, CATHERINE 30 DEC 1698 H
5. GUENTHER, JEAN GEORGES 17 OCT 1707 H D -- -- 1763 M. SCHLOSSER, ANNE CATHERINE
6. GUENTHER, BARTHELE'MI B. -- -- -- D. 24 APR 1701 H M. VARANGO, ANGE'LIQUE -- -- -- D. 27 SEP 1775 H M. 4 OCT 1734 OERMINGEN, ALSACE, FRANCE
7. GUENTHER, MARIE -- -- -- M. SHNEIDER, JEAN -- -- --
8. GUENTHER, ANGE'LIQUE 19 JAN 1710 H
9. GUENTHER, ELISABETH -- -- -- M. SCHROEDER, FRE'DE'RIC

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-----IV--GUENTHER Ancestor:FGS (20/08/1708 ORDITZ JG --son of 1685 ORDITZ, J.M. + BALDINGER) with FG SHEETS of children and their descendants: 4 FGS in total, 1 family ORDITZ/TUSCH : M. M. VONVILLE FAMILY

ORDITZ + TUSCH

M. M. VONVILLE FAMILY
CONTENTS:
[4 FGS; 1 printout from the original printout by Jacques.Fougeray@wanadoo.fr /@free.fr who did the research from the original Herbitzheim Civil Records; and, a pre-WW2 typewritten copy of the original records in this region of France. the original records were destroyed in WW2. M.M.VONVILLE)
FAMILY GROUP SHEET OF THE PARENTS: "X" denotes direct ancestor.
X ORDITZ JG 20/08/1708 + TUSCH AE 11/04/1716 with their children and spouses only.
FAMILY GROUP SHEETS of the above Children:
CHILD #3 (1739 ORDITZ, A.E. and BAUER, J J) with 1 known child and spouse
CHILD #5 (1743 ORDITZ, J.A. and NEGER, M.C.) with 3 known children..
CHILD #8 X (1750 ORDITZ, M.B. and GUENTHER aka GÜNTHER, Jacques ) with 4 known children spouses.

FAMILY GROUP SHEETS
All events occurred in Herbitzheim, Alsace, France unless there is other indication. (67) = Alsace, FRance
PARENTS: with their children and spouses only.
| ..X.| .....| .....-4A.3.2 ORDITZ Jean Georges N : 10/08/1708 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| ..X.| .....| .....-4A.3.2A x TUSCH Anne Elisabeth N : 11/04/1716 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.1 ORDITZ Jacques N : 16/07/1735 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.2 ORDITZ Anna Eve N : 14/01/1737 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.2A x GROSS Georges
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.3 ORDITZ Anne Elisabeth N : 31/01/1739 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.3A x BAUER Jean Junior N : 24/06/1732 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.4 ORDITZ Anne Catherine N : 23/01/1741 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5 ORDITZ Jean Adam N : 04/11/1743 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5A x NEGER Marie Catherine
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.6 ORDITZ Antoine N : 22/12/1745 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.7 ORDITZ Anna Marguerite N : 01/05/1748
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.7A x CLEMENT Nicolas N : OTTWEILER
| ..X.| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8 ORDITZ Maria Barbara N : 21/06/1750 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| ..X.| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8A xGÜNTHER Jacques N : 16/06/1723 HERBITZHEIM (67)

FAMILY GROUP SHEETS of the above Children:

CHILD #1 NO Family Group Sheet
CHILD #2 NO Family Group Sheet

CHILD #3 (1739 ORDITZ, A.E. and BAUER, J J) with known child and spouse
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.3 ORDITZ Anne Elisabeth N : 31/01/1739 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.3A x BAUER Jean Junior N : 24/06/1732 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.3.1 BAUER Madeleine N : 23/03/1778 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.3.1A x SCHMITT Jean N : 10/08/1775 OERMINGEN (67)

CHILD #4 NO Family Group Sheet

CHILD #5 (1743 ORDITZ, J.A. and NEGER, M.C.) with known children.
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5 ORDITZ Jean Adam N : 04/11/1743 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5A x NEGER Marie Catherine
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5.1 ORDITZ Elisabeth N : ../../1774 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5.2 ORDITZ Marie N : ../../1776 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5.3 ORDITZ Jean N : 01/04/1779 HERBITZHEIM (67)

CHILD #6 NO Family Group Sheet
CHILD #7 NO Family Group Sheet

CHILD #8 (1750 ORDITZ, M.B. and GUENTHER aka GÜNTHER, Jacques ) with known children and their spouses.
| ..X.| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8 ORDITZ Maria Barbara N : 21/06/1750 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| ..X.| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8A xGÜNTHER Jacques N : 16/06/1723 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.1 GUNTHER Jean Pierre ??? N : ~ ../../1789
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.2 GUNTHER Marie N : 02/01/1775 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.2A x KUFFLER Pierre N : 22/11/1774 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.3 GUNTHER Catherine N : 25/12/1783
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.3A x KLEIN Jean Georges N : 09/08/1771
| ..X.| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.4 GÜNTHER Peter N : ../../1790 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| ..X.| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.4A x ZIMMER Catherine N : 21/06/1793 HERBITZHEIM



M. M. VONVILLE FAMILY
This is the SAME FAMILY WITH PARENTS, CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN from ORIGINAL PRINTOUT. All information is in the Family Groups above.
| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2 ORDITZ Jean Georges N : 10/08/1708 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2A x TUSCH Anne Elisabeth N : 11/04/1716 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.1 ORDITZ Jacques N : 16/07/1735 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.2 ORDITZ Anna Eve N : 14/01/1737 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.2A x GROSS Georges
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.3 ORDITZ Anne Elisabeth N : 31/01/1739 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.3A x BAUER Jean Junior N : 24/06/1732 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.3.1 BAUER Madeleine N : 23/03/1778 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.3.1A x SCHMITT Jean N : 10/08/1775 OERMINGEN (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.4 ORDITZ Anne Catherine N : 23/01/1741 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5 ORDITZ Jean Adam N : 04/11/1743 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5A x NEGER Marie Catherine
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5.1 ORDITZ Elisabeth N : ../../1774 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5.2 ORDITZ Marie N : ../../1776 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.5.3 ORDITZ Jean N : 01/04/1779 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.6 ORDITZ Antoine N : 22/12/1745 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.7 ORDITZ Anna Marguerite N : 01/05/1748
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.7A x CLEMENT Nicolas N : OTTWEILER
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8 ORDITZ Maria Barbara N : 21/06/1750 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8A xGÜNTHER Jacques N : 16/06/1723 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.1 GUNTHER Jean Pierre ??? N : ~ ../../1789
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.2 GUNTHER Marie N : 02/01/1775 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.2A x KUFFLER Pierre N : 22/11/1774 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.3 GUNTHER Catherine N : 25/12/1783
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.3A x KLEIN Jean Georges N : 09/08/1771
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.4 GÜNTHER Peter N : ../../1790 HERBITZHEIM (67)
| .....| .....| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8.4A x ZIMMER Catherine N : 21/06/1793 HERBITZHEIM (67)



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VI--GUENTHER (1790 GUNTHER, Peter son of 1723 GUENTHER, Jacques + 1750
ORDITZ, Maria B.)

MARYMARTHAVONVILLE HOTMAIL.COM; MARY MARTHA VON VILLE MCGRATH, ACTON ROAD COLUMBUS, OH 43214; 614-876-7309; 908-685-1822

----------PETER (GINTER / GINTHER / GUNTER / GUNTHER) 1790-1872
Born 1790 Herbitzheim, ALSACE ,FR - 1872 Mohawk Hill, Lewis, NY USA
PARENTS:
| ..X.| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8 ORDITZ Maria Barbara
B : 21/06/1750 HERBITZHEIM (67)
PARENTS:-4A.3.2 ORDITZ Jean Georges : 10/08/1708 HERBITZHEIM (67)
+ -4A.3.2A x TUSCH Anne Elisabeth : 11/04/1716 HERBITZHEIM (67)

| ..X.| .....| .....| .....-4A.3.2.8A xGÜNTHER Jacques
B : 16/06/1723 HERBITZHEIM (67)
PARENTS: 1689 GUNTER, Samuel (son of GUNTER, Jean 1669 of Austria + BAUER) +
STOCKER, Anne Marie (No further information known on STOCKER Family)

----------CATHERINE ZIMMER,1793-1872 NOTE:2JUN1793 Herbitzheim, ALSACE
,FR/Ge - 28APR1872 MohawkHills, Lewis, NY USA buried at St. Michael's
Cemetery.NOTE: PARENTS: (JOHN) ZIMMER - FR,(ZIMMER is NOT the original name
which is the French word for Carpenter, was changed to Zimmer in
Herbitzheim,GE/FR) + (MARIE) MULLER (know names and place only) from
HERBITZHEIM.

11 ChildrenofPETER GINTER1790-1872+CATHERINE ZIMMER17931872:

X---------------1 PETER GUENTHER
B. 11NOV1814 Herbitzheim aka Herstom,ALSACE, BAS RHIN, FRANCE D.
20NOV1890Glenmont,Holmes,OHIO;
MAR: Utica, New York, 17JUL1836 Utica,NY:
-X--------------CORDELIA / ODELIA MORGAN
B: 26JUN1812Herbitzheim,ALSACE,FR- D. 3SEP1881Glenmont,Holmes,OHIO
Contact: marymarthavonville @ hotmail . com


---------------2 NICHOLAS GINTHER b. 1815 Herbitzheim aka Herstom,ALSACE,
BAS RHIN, FRANCE , d. 20AUG1881, buried St. Michael's Cemetery, Mohawk Hill,
New York. ; mar. Katharina ANNA, dau. of David and Mary SMITH ANNA, she was
born 1823, FR 12 children; mar. Walburga RHEINBURG (no dates) 2 children.
Contact:CharAH1 at aol.com
This NICHOLAS + descendants are
called the NEW YORK GINTHERs / GUNTHERs /etc.

---------------3 ELIZABETH 15 OCT 1818 (previously as
b??13DEC1813)Herbitzheim aka Herstom,ALSACE, BAS RHIN, FRANCE married John
MILLER

---------------4 MARGUERITE 28 JUN 1820 Herbitzheim aka Herstom,ALSACE, BAS
RHIN, FRANCE

---------------5 CATHARINE 22APR1822, Herbitzheim aka Herstom,ALSACE, BAS
RHIN, FRANCE , d. 1900 mar. Louis GOLDEN ewokpt aol com Pat Townsend

---------------6 MARIE 4 AUG 1824 Herbitzheim aka Herstom,ALSACE, BAS RHIN,
FRANCE

---------------7 MAGDELENA 4JUL1825, France, d. 4MAY1915, Lapeer County,
Michigan / buried St. Mary's Burnside Cemetery; married Edward Marshall
KOHLER michaelshelton

---------------8 MARIE CATHERINE 17 FEB 1829 Herbitzheim aka Herstom,ALSACE,
BAS RHIN, FRANCE

---------------9 HELEN b. 1831 Herbitzheim aka Herstom,ALSACE, BAS RHIN,
FRANCE d. 1915 buried St. Michael's Cemetery, Mohawk Hill, New York, married
Gregory GEISKOPF (d. 1888), married John HOFFMAN. gcryder

---------------10 BARBARA b. 1832 Herbitzheim aka Herstom,ALSACE, BAS RHIN,
FRANCE d. 1851 buried St. Michael's Cem. Mohawk Hill, NY

---------------11 GERTRUDE b. 1842 (possibly born in NY and not FR) d. 1860
buried St. Michael's Cem. Mohawk Hill, NY

SOURCE: Family and Cemetery Records of Mohawk Hills, Lewis County, NY, USA
( from more than 1 descendant); and, Civil Records from Herbitzheim, Bas
Rhin, Alsace, France (formerly Germany).

NOTES: HERBITZHEIM("HERSTOM", a very small town in ALSACE ,(was Germany is
now FRANCE) usually only had a few hundred people living there at any one
time for centuries. (Have history of town.
Herbitzheim Historie ist auf INTERNET/Deutsch)
NOTE: It was not unusual for cousins to marry cousins, even 1st cousins. It
is known that CATHERINE ZIMMER had a sister EVE / EVA ELISABETH who married
Peter GEISKOPF in France where he died, and she came to this country with
her children. They had a brother PETER GEISKOPF who came to this country
with his wife Anna Elizabeth BAUER and their eight children. Apolonia BAUER,
wife of Jean G. from Austria. and Peter, the brother of Catherine ZIMMER,
and his wife Anna Elizabeth BAUER may be related; also, Eve/Eva Elizabeth
the sister of Catherine ZIMMER married Peter GEISKOPF and Catherine ZIMMER
G.'s daughter Helen1831 married Eve/Eva's son Gregory GEISKOPF; possibly
but, unknown in this case: MULLER means the same as the English MILLER so it
could have been Americanized; and, Catherine's mother Marie MULLER may be
the aunt of John MILLER who married Catherine's daughter
Elizabeth(?1813.)vonvilleatmstar2net


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