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Re: Snake Girty, Jeff (Jacob) Girty, Wilson Girty
Posted by: James Sellars III (ID *****7318) Date: February 03, 2004 at 13:36:38
In Reply to: Re: Snake Girty, Jeff (Jacob) Girty, Wilson Girty by William F. Furry of 181

I appreciate you writing. It was not my intention to use that term as my own in any derogatory sense. This is not how I refer to Native Americans myself. I used that term in quotes to indicate that is how the records in Oklahoma state the heritage. I personally refer to Native Americans by their tribe as they prefer to be called, i.e. Cherokee, Shawnee, etc. I am of Chippewa ancestry myself and don't like that term either, but when referring to historical records I state it as it appears. I should have been more clear and sensitive in my statement.

I can't say too much about any son named George who was a son of Thomas. The Pennsylvania Girtys don't ever mention a George and records do not mention him either, but I'm not an expert on that line. George Girty Sr. (1745-1796), had a son named George (his mother was of the Delaware tribe) who lived in Zanesville, Muskingum Co., Ohio and was married to Elizabeth Lynn in the 1830s. They later moved to Cincinnati where they both died. The family later lived across the river in Newport, Kentucky.

Dr. Lyman Copeland Draper corresponded with two men in the 1840s and 50s, while George Jr. was still alive. One man (who lived in Zanesville) mentioned that George Sr's son did live in Zanesville for a while but then moved to Cincinnati where he was living at the present (1845). He also stated that he was probably too young to remember much about the exploits of his father and his uncle, Simon Girty. It appears from census records that the younger George left his tribe settling and marrying among the Americans. His last contact with the tribe was in 1829 when he signed a Treaty that relocated the Delaware tribe out west in Missouri and Kansas. It wouldn't surprise me that the family history has been forgotten. It has been some 180 years since that family had any connection with their tribe.

George Girty Jr. died in 1869 and his wife in 1871 and both are buried in Cincinnati. I believe some of the children are buried there also. George Girty also had a sister, regarded as a very beautiful woman, who was married to George White Eyes, son of Chief White Eyes. This was also mentioned by draper correspondants.

Here's the transcript as written in Draper's letters: (The first writer confuses George's father)

Draper Manuscript Collection, 12U:1-3

Letter of Col. John Johnston, Glen Mary, December 15, 1843, to Lyman Draper.

"Since my former communication, I have seen and conversed with several persons in relation to the family of Simon Girty. There appears to be the impression here that he had no brothers in the west. At least none were known to the old settlers about here. Among others Mr. Ewing seems to be decidedly of that opinion. He gave me the only information in relation to his family, which can be relied on. He thinks the George Girty spoken of was the son and not the brother of Simon. He knew him when he lived at Zanesville. Mr. Ewing heard George Girty relate to his father, when he was a boy, his adventures and escape at the battle of the Maumee town. After the defeat he was pursued by a mounted ranger. He described himself as running for his life "And I didn't run booty." "I run and I run, but the white man come nearer and nearer, til I felt the horses breath on my back. I looked over my shoulder and I saw the long knife raised up in the air, then I fell flat down on my face and the horse jumped right over me. Now me up on my feet, and dash out into the bush."
"A sister of this same George Girty was married to the Wyandotte Chief White Eyes. Mr. Ewing has a distinct recollection of her and that she was a woman of unmarked beauty."
"White Eyes was a man of considerable learning for a full blood. He was an excellent Greek Scholar. This is the same Indian who was educated by Congress at the instance of Genl. Washington for the service ordered by his father during the Revolutionary war."

"He supposes Simon Girty was at that time a bout forty years old. As cruel, merciless and inhuman as Sirus may have been, Mr. E. does not believe that he instigated the barbarous atrocities practiced on Col. Crawford. G. Girty represented his father's conduct on that occasion to be entirely different. According to the son, he did all he could, without sacrificing his influence with the Indians, to save Crawford. He did not encourage or suggest to them to throw burning coals on his freshly scalped head. "

Draper Manuscript Collection, 9NN:3

Letter of David Chambers of Oak Grove near Zanesville, to Lyman Draper, June 3, 1845:

"George Girty did live here some short time since and is a nephew of said Simon of notorious memory. George now resides in Cincinnati, and I doubt much if he is well acquainted with his uncle's history - and if he were, he could not as a relative with propriety give you such an account of his relative as would accord will with the sketches of black hearted treachery, and fiend like cruelty, which are given of that base American."

This is from cemetery records and census records of Muskingum Co., OH and Cincinnati:

1. GEORGE GIRTY was born Abt. 1780 in PA, and died December 28, 1869 in Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., OH. He married ELIZABETH LINN November 26, 1833 in Muskingum Co., OH. She was born April 15, 1800 in VA, and died October 14, 1871 and is buried in Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., OH.
i.       MARY C. GIRTY, b. Abt. 1836.
ii.       WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON GIRTY, b. Abt. 1839, Ohio; d. September 17, 1885, Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., OH.
iii.       ELIZABETH A. GIRTY, b. Abt. 1841.
iv.       JOHN GIRTY, b. July 08, 1856.

George Jr. was likely born near Pittsburgh as this is where his father lived before going to Detroit. George's occupation in Ohio was a "Grayman" which I'm not sure what that is. Also in Zanesville in the early 1800s there was a Catherine Girty who was born about 1774 who was not married and died there. George appears in Muskingum Co. OH census records from 1820 to 1840 and then in Cincinnati from 1850 to 1860. His wife was in Newport, KY in 1870. That's about all I know for now.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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