Travis Goucher was kind enough to provide a lot of material to me about a year ago when I first started looking for Goucher information. Unfortunately, too much work has kept me off the track for a while. Anyway, I know we must be kin, based on your description of embelishments to stories! Uncle Millard and Aunt Gertie were my grandparents. I am the third child of their eighth child, Robert Dean. If you haven't received the information from Travis about Alburtus and George, I'll be glad to send it to you. I have been having trouble getting further back than George in Michigan. But, if two of the three original brothers died, and we all came through NY, then there are some very thorough links through Family Tree Maker. PS Travis, if you read this, I haven't forgotten your kindness. Every time I get an updated genealogy disk, I look for your John, before my George.