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HAMBRIGHT DNA TESTING
Posted by: W. Stewart (ID *****8907) Date: June 23, 2010 at 12:50:51
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I am a descendant of Colonel Frederick Hambright. Please inform me if one of his patrilineal descendants had a sample of his DNA tested.

Family Tree DNA Sale Ends on June 25, 2010

Y-DNA tests (father-line only):

* A Y-DNA37 test on sale costs $119 (+ $4 shipping = $123). Save $30.

* A Y-DNA67 test on sale costs $199 (+ $4 shipping = $203). Save $40.

In order to pay these prices, one must join a surname project first (if you do not know how, telephone FTDNA). FTDNA's regular prices are listed under "Products & Pricing" at https://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx .
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Order Kits Now -- Pay After Samples Are Submitted

If FTDNA allows you to pay by invoice when you order a kit, you can collect samples from people before they die and safely store them at room temperature until more family members are willing to help pay to have them tested. Just inform FTDNA before testing begins if you decide you want, e.g., a Y-DNA67 instead of a Y-DNA37 test. Your samples will not be tested until complete payment is received.
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"The accessibility and affordability of family DNA testing is doubtless the greatest technical advance in the history of genealogical research because -- at long, long last -- we have a tool to break down those brick walls!"
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A video that may help one understand the benefits of genetic genealogy and DNA testing is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thVCLwCh-FI. I also enjoyed watching the Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) videos listed at http://www.familytreedna.com/audio-video.aspx .
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The price one pays for a DNA test may seem insignificant in comparison to the benefits, e.g., if one's test results match those of people who have documented pedigrees over a thousand years old. This happened almost every time my cousins had Y-DNA tests.
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"The most common complaint from DNA test customers is the failure of the company to make results understandable and meaningful to them." See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test .

I last updated this document on June 19, 2010 (I hope I did not make it too complicated). I created it in order to help a few personal friends and family members order DNA sample collection kits, and to understand and use their test results without having to read much or pay anyone (call me if I can help). Please help improve this draft, email it to others, and delete it if I email you an updated version (excuse me). I wish I were intelligent enough to do things perfectly the first time.
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How to Order

Join a surname project before you pay (ask FTDNA if you need help). FTDNA's convenient sample collection kits are free. Each kit contains 3 numbered vials, swabs, instructions about how to obtain DNA samples, etc. Inform FTDNA if the Post Office fails to deliver a sample collection kit a couple of weeks after you order a test. You may easily order one or more FTDNA sample collection kits in the three following ways.
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Method # 1

Ask FTDNA to mail kit(s) to your street address by telephoning 713-868-1438 Monday - Friday, 9A-6PM EST, 8A-5PM CST
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Method # 2
Email your request and shipping information to helpdesk@ftdna.com
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Method # 3 - Online payment
Before you pay, make sure you join a surname project via the web page at http://www.familytreedna.com/projects.aspx .
a) Scroll down and use the Y-DNA SURNAME PROJECTS menu to select the first letter of a surname.
b) Select a surname from the next menu
c) Scroll down and click on "ORDER NOW", e.g., beside the $149 Y-DNA37 button.
d) Scroll down and click on the "NEXT" button.
e) Enter your name, shipping and email address, etc. and click on the "NEXT" button.
f) If you choose to pay via invoice instead of via your credit card, select "Billing address is same as shipping" and click on the "NEXT" button.
g) Click on FINISH if you provided the correct shipping, etc. information.
Note: When ordering via the Internet, if you click on your browser's "BACK" button instead of on the "PREVIOUS" button displayed on a web page, you may have to delete all of the cookies, etc. from your computer's cache in order to proceed.
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Which DNA Testing Company Is Best?

Regardless of the price, I think you will be more satisfied if you pay only FTDNA to test your DNA samples for the following reasons.

1) Since FTDNA's database is far larger than all of the databases of the other DNA testing companies combined, more people's test results can be compared to yours. See http://www.familytreedna.com/why-FTDNA.aspx

2) The more markers one can compare the better. Different markers tested by other companies can not be compared to FTDNA's.

3) Genealogists and your matches may pay attention only to FTDNA's test results.

4) 90% of genealogists use FTDNA.

5) It has a helpful web site

6) Its intelligent, knowledgeable, and caring employees patiently answer questions via telephone, etc.

7) It is trustworthy and reliable (some testing companies with attractive web sites are not).

8) FTDNA is the oldest (other companies may not last as long).

I understood how much more helpful FTDNA's larger database is after I added my test results to the relatively useless databases of other companies, e.g., Ancestry.com, Genetree, and Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF). National Geographic's Genographic Project, etc. pay FTDNA's laboratory to test their samples.
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Which Test Is Best?

I do not recommend the slightly cheaper 12 and 25-marker tests. Whether or not a family has 67-marker or 37-marker tests may be a mutual decision. Comparing 67-marker test results to 37-marker test results is no better than comparing the test results of two 37-marker tests.

67-marker test results may help us sort out more precisely who descends from whom in an extended family. One can upgrade from a Y-DNA37 to a Y-DNA67 test for $99, or save $9 by ordering the Y-DNA67 test first.

"Several groups of families have still not been able to completely determine the relatedness of group members with our flagship 37 marker test. Therefore we see two main advantages of testing 67 markers over testing 37:

1) Y-DNA67 can further refine our estimate of how closely related two individuals are,

2) By using additional markers groups of related participants have a better chance of finding mutations which identify sub-branches in the family." See http://www.familytreedna.com/faq-markers.aspx

That about 90% of the people named Stewart who tested their Y-DNA do not belong to the same family as the Stewart kings of Scotland can be determined by Y-DNA12 tests. My Y-DNA67 test helped me to determine to which branch of that family I humbly belong even though my paper trail ended in the eighteenth century.
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Y-DNA test results are the easiest for a beginner to understand and use. Every man inherited his Y-DNA from a male ancestor who lived millennia ago.
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MtDNA comes only from one's mother. MtDNA tests are more useful for anthropological than for genealogical purposes. FTDNA will test one's entire mitochondrial genome (HVR1 & 2 & CR) for $299.00. I am glad I tested mine, haplogroup T2b - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T_(mtDNA) .
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Both men and women can provide samples for a "Family Finder" Test. See http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx . "The Family Finder Test helps you find family across all your lines, up to 6 generations back, by checking hundreds of thousands of points in your autosomal DNA, and comparing your results with others in the Family Finder database... Family Finder is almost sure to detect your relationship if you are related within five generations (3rd or more recent cousins). Testing detects many 4th and 5th cousins and a small percentage of more distant cousins... You can discover connections to descendants of all sixteen of your great-great-grandparents!.. Results identify the ethnic and geographic origin of the maternal and paternal lines." See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test#Geographic_origin_tests and https://www.23andme.com/
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Whose Y-DNA To Test?

1) Test the oldest generation alive (in case a mutation occurred in a younger generation).

2) Test cousins who are the most distantly related to each other (in order to discount mutations that occurred after their Most Recent Common Patrilineal Ancestor was born.
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FTDNA Sales

Whether or not its laboratories have been operating at full capacity may determine whether FTDNA increases its prices, or has a sale during which its prices are temporarily reduced by about 20%.

Gene testing technology improvements may continue to reduce costs.
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You do not need to read the information below this sentence until after you receive your sample collection kit.
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DNA Sample Collection Kits

Immediately sign the release form that comes with the kit and put it into the return envelope.

To avoid delay and having to order another kit, be sure to obtain the best quality samples possible, and avoid contamination.

I prefer for just one sample to be collected every day, immediately after waking up and washing hands, and that samples come from the cheek opposite the ear where one holds one's cell phone. Does radiation affect DNA?

Instructions similar to the following came with the FTDNA kit that I recently received:

1) Avoid food, beverages and brushing your teeth for at least one hour before collecting each sample.

2) "When you begin the collection process, chew a little bit on the inside of the cheek (not enough to draw blood), before the scraping. This can help to create a better sample."

3) Brush the inside of your cheek (not gums) vigorously for one minute and switch cheeks if you experience discomfort:

4) Wait for at least four hours between scrapings (preferably eight).

These two brief videos show how to use FTDNA kits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AMaCFyqGU4 (two minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN07Adpu7Bs (four minutes)

Returning the vials that contained my DNA samples to FTDNA via the US Post Office cost $1.22 (as non-liquid contents, uncertified and uninsured).

Keep samples at room temperature. FTDNA may store unused DNA samples for about 25 years in case an additional test is ordered.
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Test Results

After you order your test, FTDNA will email you a password so you can log in to the private personal web pages assigned to the kit number written on your sample vials. You can view your test results online a month or two later. FTDNA will also mail you a paper certificate that shows your final test results.

Sharing of results does not necessarily mean sharing of identity. In order to benefit from our test results, we must compare and share information with other people who had DNA tests. If you want to be contacted by strangers from the USA and abroad whose DNA matches yours:

1) Upload your pedigree and GEDCOM.
2) Select the options that allow FTDNA to display your DNA test results publicly, e.g., at
a) http://www.familytreedna.com/public/stewart/default.aspx?section=yresults
b) http://www.ysearch.org/ and
c) http://www.mitosearch.org/.

You may also post your FTDNA test results at other web sites, e.g., at
http://www.smgf.org/ , at http://www.genetree.com/ , and at
http://www.ancestry.com/.
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How to Set Up Your FTDNA and Ysearch Accounts

Beginners may have difficulty understanding FTDNA's sophisticated web site. Most of the people I helped gave me their passwords so I could quickly identify to which genetic family they belong, and set up their accounts as I would my own.

1) Go to http://www.familytreedna.com/ and click on the "LOGIN TO YOUR ACCOUNT" button in the upper right corner to open the login window. Type your kit # xxxxxx into the upper field and your password xxxxx into the lower field and hit "LOGIN". I sometimes have to delete all Cookies and Temporary Internet Files in order to login.

2) Click on MY ACCOUNT, CONTACT INFORMATION in the left frame and make any changes you want after the new window opens.

3) Click on MY ACCOUNT, USER PRERERENCES in the left frame and provide details about your earliest known ancestors. I changed my preferences because FTDNA notified me too often that I had new perfect 12-marker matches (you may need to refresh your Browser windows after you update your preferences).

4) Click on MY ACCOUNT, MY MAPS, PLOT ANCESTRAL LOCATION in the left frame and enter the geographical coordinates or the places in the USA or abroad where your earliest known matrilineal and patrilineal ancestors lived.

5) Click on MY ACCOUNT, YDNA MATCHES in the left frame to open the personal web page where your Y-DNA matches are shown. FTDNA will automatically upload your test results to Ysearch (another service of FTDNA) if you select CLICK HERE TO UPLOAD TO YSEARCH.ORG (above the names of your matches). Repeat this procedure every time FTDNA releases more of your test results. http://www.ysearch.org/ allows matches who tested with other companies to contact you without knowing your name or email address, and for them to compare their test results to yours and vice versa.

6) Explore more menus to read or change anything else.
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Kit Numbers

Most DNA Project web sites display members' kit numbers and test results so genetic genealogists can compare them.

When you email me, please provide your kit number and the name or URL of any DNA project(s) to which you belong. I may waste time and make mistakes if I guess. Knowing your test results will help me to:

1) Prepare and provide you and your matches with useful tables, statistical analyses, etc.

2) Identify matches tested by other companies.

Please notify me if you contact your matches (I prefer not to do so).

Some people are afraid to reveal their kit numbers even though no one can log into their FTDNA accounts without their passwords. FTDNA wrote: "We strongly recommend that you never share your kit number and password outside of Family Tree DNA as it may give away your personal information..." If my personal and family information is in telephone books and online at Facebook.com, etc., why should I care?

I asked FTDNA President Bennett Greenspan <bcg@familytreedna.com> if FTDNA creates unnecessary fear by warning its customers not to reveal their passwords AND Kit Numbers. On Feb 9, 2010 he replied:

"We don't ever say to NOT share your kit #. In fact most of our projects use a kit # reference which we make available as an option when making our cookie cutter web site...so clearly we don't have a problem with sharing kit #'s... We certainly aren't trying to stand in the road of progress." See http://www.familytreedna.com/about.aspx.

I am eager to see the detailed DNA test results of more of my cousins. I may not be able to obtain information about their matches' names, email addresses, pedigrees, etc. unless my cousins email their kit numbers and information about their matches to me, or provide me with their passwords so I can access their personal FTDNA web pages myself (I never disclose other's passwords, or betray those who trust me).

The lower a customer's kit number, the earlier FTDNA tested his DNA (testing was more expensive years ago).
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Time to Most Recent Common Patrilineal Ancestor

Diana Gale Matthiesen is a retired zoologist/paleontologist. Her hobby is genealogy. She wrote the following wisdom.

"...at 67 markers, you can expect roughly one mutation every seven generations... two mutations within three or four generations is not uncommon ... Note that these distances (0 to 3) are from the model haplotype for the family. The distance between two individual descendants can be twice that and still constitute a good match... Instead of basing the meaning of genetic distance on a calculation so dependent on a constant mutation rate that isn't constant, base it directly on the data. Both the pedigrees and the DNA test results are real, so use them to tell you what genetic distances really mean which, of course, leads us to the issue of why having your members' lineages is so important and why I double-check, as best I can, the genealogy of my surname project members."

See http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/y-dna-projects/TMRCA.shtml and "Understanding the Time Predictor" at https://www.familytreedna.com/faq-tip.aspx.

" Mistakes mislead. If you don't know, don't guess."
" It isn't enough to compile your pedigree, you need to prove your pedigree."
" DNA test results should be used to support or debunk a paper pedigree, not to create a pedigree."
" Please note that sharing of results does not necessarily mean sharing of identity."
" Hypotheses exist to be tested, so I welcome correction."
" Share the data, don't sell it a rising tide lifts all boats."
See http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/GenealogyHome.shtml
Understanding census records is easier if you first read some of the information linked to at http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/Census/CensusHome.shtml
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In My Opinion

One is less likely to find matches with the same surname if one's patrilineal ancestor:

1) Changed or adopted his surname only a few generations ago.

2) Was non-European, e.g., a Semite or Native American.

That there is little difference between the 25-marker test results of people with the same surname indicates that their Most Recent Common Patrilineal Ancestor lived after most Europeans adopted surnames (less than a thousand years ago).

That nearly all of my 37-marker and above matches in FTDNA's entire database have the same surname may indicate how emotionally faithful the mothers of our patrilineal ancestors have been since surnames were adopted.

Almost all of my hundreds of 25-marker and 2,150 perfect 12-marker matches have different British surnames. Their ancestors came from Scotland mostly, and from England and Ireland. Might our Most Recent common Patrilineal Ancestor be a noble Celtic (not Anglo-Saxon) farmer whose descendants had many children every generation for thousands of years before surnames were adopted? Might he have millions of more descendants if treacherous imperialists had not had our instinctively compassionate and civilized ancestors fight so many wars against each other in the name of God and religion, etc.?
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Some BRYTHONIC CELTS entered the British Isles circa 700 - 100 BC, while others remained on the Continent, primarily in Gaul (west of the Rhine, in the modern territories of France, Belgium, Luxembourg).
Circa 2,500-3,000 years ago in Gaul the DNA of the Brythonic (British) Celts mutated -- DYS marker #391 mutated from a value of 11 to a value of 10.
Ref: Journal of Genetic Genealogy
SOURCE: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b1b2/default.aspx
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