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Re: Hammes of Dorweiler, Germany
Posted by: Baerbel Hammes (ID *****9150) Date: August 05, 2006 at 13:08:05
In Reply to: Re: Hammes of Dorweiler, Germany by June Lay of 133

Hi June,

sorry for answering so late.
No, Lorenz Hammes
(b. 28.Dez.1693 in Morshausen)
married to 1. Anna Bauer (d. of. Jacob Bauer and Anna Schneider from Dommershausen) 2. (30. Jan. 1742) (Maria) Barbara Stein (d. of Cornelius Stein and Anna Maria Koelzer from Dorweiler)
is not directly connected to my Hammes lines (there are some different lines even in my family tree). Lorenz was the son of Johann Jacob Hammes and Elisabeth from Morshausen. And there we are again. By the end of the 17th century there were several Hammes families in Morshausen - mayby or surely all connected and related to eachother. I am sure they were brothers or cousins - but the last link is missing. I have no trace of their parent generation to fix the suspected relations.
By the way, Lorenz Hammes was the miller of the "Neumühle" ("Mühle" is "Mill"; Neumühle = New Mill ) placed in the creek valley of the "Baybach" between Dommershausen and Morshausen. There were a lot of "Hammes" millers in the 16th, 17th and 18th century all over the region.

Unfortunately I didn't copy the family book of Dorweiler years before. So I am not able to say anything sure about Cornelius Stein and Anna Maria Koelzer from Dorweiler.
But the Költzer family seems to have their origins in Dorweiler while the Stein family may have moved to Dorweiler from the Eifel or Mosel region in the 1600s. I am not quite sure but there seems to be a connection to the castle "Burg Waldeck" ("Herrschaft Waldeck"). There must have been some families who worked as specialist servants (or in skilled handicrafts) for the barons at the castle. These families seems to have been more mobile than others and married to the more honorable (or better wealthier) local farmer families.
Kölzer, Pies, Hammes ect. seem to have been a bit wealthier than others in the 1600s (but not necessarily in later times).

If you have a Pies (not "Piehs" - it is written without "h" and pronounced as "peace") in your line, you can be sure, we are related. Hi cousine!! :-))).

Unfortunately I didn't find Carl Pies (or better his parents family) in the papers and books I have access to at home (didn't copy all the family books). But all Pies families are said to be descendants of one special couple: Diederich Pies (b. ab. 1590, died ab. 1666) and his wife Elisabeth. Some think that Elisabeth was an illegitim daughter of a baron from castle Waldeck - but this may be wishfull thinking - who knows. What seems to be true is, that Diederich Pies moved to Dorweiler (or to the castle) somewhen after 1600. He was born in the region of Kleve at the Lower Rhine and was a "chirurgus" - a surgeon (not studied but by craft). The family was a bit "more better of" than the ordinary farmer families, so a lot of children survived and married (at least 5 sons and 4 daughters). Most of them had a lot of children (who survived and married) too - it was not so usual that so many children of a couple survived childhood in that times. So the Pies family spread over the whole region.
I found by now "only" 9 connections to Diederich Pies and Elisabeth in my family tree - each four of my grandpa's and grandma's have Pies ancestors in some way.
I suspect, your Carl Pies may be a grandson or great-grandson of Jodocus Pies (* ab. 1620 +15.Feb.1696) and Susanna (Kneip?) (+09.March.1694) who was a son of Diederich Pies and Elisabeth. Jodocus married Susanna, a girl from Dorweiler, lived some years in Sabershausen (a village nearby) and moved back to Dorweiler later. Jodocus had at least 3 sons, his son Theodor had at least 3 sons too. (Theodors son Johann from Dorweiler is in my line. He had no son named Carl - but perhaps his brother Schwickard did.

Hi Jane, so much for now. By the way, if you are interested in "virtually travelling" to your ancestors home region and villages - I can give you the coordinates in Google Earth. The resolution of the fotos in that region is quite good. Send me an e-mail if you like.

Greetings from Germany
Bärbel Hammes


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