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Re: Looking for info on Johann Harder b.1908 UA
Posted by: Ron Isaak (ID *****8368) Date: November 08, 2003 at 13:07:22
In Reply to: Looking for info on Johann Harder b.1908 UA by Arthur Harder of 591

Guten Tage

Meine Deutsch is nicht sehr gut aber ich denke das dieses ist deine familie

Johann is gebourne im 1904 in dieses liste aber die Frau ist Katharina Harms mit hochziet (marriage) (?) im 1928 im Burwalde, Chortitza.

Johann ist #13 aber nuhr 3 kinder sind am liste.

1.       Peter Harder #227866, b. Chortitza Colony, South Russia. He married Maria Friesen #227867. Listed in Chortitza Family lists on bk.1, pg. 121 & bk.2, pg.61. Maria: Listed in Chortitza Family Lists on pg. 121.
                            Children:
               2.       i       Jacob Harder #505286 b. 28 Feb 1833.
               3.       ii       Maria Harder #227037 b. 21 Apr 1837.
               4.       iii       Cornelius Harder #491410 b. 26 Jul 1848.

Second Generation

2.       Jacob Harder #505286, b. 28 Feb 1833. , He married (1) Anna Harder #505285, 22 Jan 1856,2 b. 6 Mar 1833,2 (daughter of Franz Harder #505281 and Helena Derksen #505280) d. 29 Sep 1864.2 He married (2) Susanna Harder #505279, 10 Dec 1864,2 b. 15 Jul 1830,2 (daughter of Franz Harder #505281 and Helena Derksen #505280) d. 24 Feb 1866.2 He married (3) Helena Elias #505275, 12 Apr 1866,2 b. 24 Nov 1840,2 (daughter of Jakob Elias #341208 and Maria Dueck #341209) d. 2 Jul 1924, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.2 Jacob died 12 May 1905, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.2,3
                            Children by Anna Harder:
                       i       Franz Harder #505284, b. 22 Dec 1856,2 d. 1861.2
                       ii       Maria Harder #505283, b. 1 Jul 1862,2 d. 28 Jun 1864.2
                       iii       Peter Harder #505282, b. 18 May 1864,2 d. 31 Jul 1864.2
                            Children by Susanna Harder:
                       iv       Maria Harder #505278, b. 19 Sep 1865.2
                            Children by Helena Elias:
                       v       Susanna Harder #505272, b. 24 Jan 1867,2 d. 7 Feb 1867.2
               5.       vi       Jacob Harder #505271 b. 2 Jun 1868.
                       vii       Susanna Harder #505270, b. 3 Feb 1870,2 d. 16 Feb 1870.2
                       viii       Peter Harder #505269, b. 26 Mar 1871.2
                       ix       Abram Harder #505268, b. 29 Jun 1873,2 d. 17 Dec 1873.2
               6.       x       Susanna Harder #518873 b. 18 Feb 1876.
                       xi       Johann Harder #505267, b. 1879,2 d. 1879.2

3.       Maria Harder #227037, b. 21 Apr 1837, Chortitza Colony, South Russia.1 She married (1) Franz Peters #227044, in Chortitza Colony, South Russia, b. Abt 1840, d. Chortitza Colony, South Russia. She married (2) Johann Neufeldt #227016, 1 Feb 1890, in Schoenhorst, Chortitza, South Russia, b. 28 Jul 1839,1 (son of Johann Neufeldt #227862 and Anna Klaasen #227863).
                            Children by Franz Peters:
                       i       Elizabeth Peters #227045, b. 4 Sep 1863, Schoenhorst, Chortitza, South Russia.1
                       ii       Franz Peters #227046, b. 25 Oct 1868, Schoenhorst, Chortitza, South Russia,1 d. 14 Nov 1908, Schoenhorst, Chortitza, South Russia.
               7.       iii       Maria Peters #227038 b. 27 Aug 1875.

4.       Cornelius Harder, #491410, b. 26 Jul 1848. He married (1) Helena Thiessen #507222, 8 Nov 1877, in Chortitza Colony, South Russia,6, b. 17 Jun 1854,6 (daughter of Jacob Thiessen #266245 and Magaretha Wiebe #266246). He married (2) Anna Friesen,5 #491409, 18 Jun 1881,6,7 b. 3 Apr 1852, ,6,7 (daughter of Johann W. Friesen #158057 and Susanna Dyck #158058) d. 25 Mar 1920.7
                            Children by Helena Thiessen:
                       i       Gertruda Harder #507221, b. 22 Aug 1878.6
                       ii       Jacob Harder #507220, b. 11 Sep 1880.6
                            Children by Anna Friesen:
               8.       iii       Susanna Harder #175517 b. 7 Jun 1882.
                       iv       Maria Harder,5 #507219, b. 7 Dec 1883.6
                       v       Johann Harder,5 #507218, b. 16 Feb 1886.6
                       vi       Anna Harder #507217, b. 5 Dec 1888,6 d. 1 Mar 1890.6
                       vii       Peter Harder,5 #507216, b. 5 Aug 1891, Osterwick, Chortitza, South Russia.6
               9.       viii       Elizabeth "Luise" Harder #174759 b. 10 May 1894.

Third Generation

5.       Jacob Harder #505271, b. 2 Jun 1868. He married Maria Grunwald #505003, 23 Jan 1896, b. 1876,10 d. 28 Jul 1924, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.10 Jacob died 3 Jul 1915, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.10 pg. 69 of Chortitza Family Lists gives birthdate as 9 Jun.
                            Children:
               10.       i       Jacob Harder #505002 b. 27 Oct 1896.
               11.       ii       Helena Harder #505001 b. 14 Sep 1898.
                       iii       Johann Harder #505000, b. 7 Aug 1900,10 d. 28 May 1901.10
               12.       iv       Peter Harder #504999 b. 31 Oct 1901.
               13.       v       Johann Harder #504998 b. 28 Jan 1904.

6.       Susanna Harder #518873, b. 18 Feb 1876, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia. She married (2) Jacob J. Rempel #145148, 4 Jun 1916, b. 31 May 1863,12 (son of Johann Peter Rempel #145127 and Anna Wiens #145126) d. 1933, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.12 Susanna died 6 Sep 1918, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.12
                            Children:
               14.       i       Helena Harder #505266 b. 19 Sep 1899.

7.       Maria Peters #227038, b. 27 Aug 1875, Schoenhorst, Chortitza, South Russia.1 She married Martin Neufeldt #227025, 2 Nov 1897, in Schoenhorst, Chortitza, South Russia, b. 4 Dec 1877, (son of Martin Neufeldt #227019 and Sarah Funk #227015).
                            Children:
                       i       Johann Neufeldt #227039, b. 28 Aug 1898, Schoenhorst, Chortitza, South Russia.4
                       ii       Sarah Neufeldt #227040, b. 11 Mar 1902, Schoenhorst, Chortitza, South Russia,4 d. 20 Feb 1907, Schoenhorst, Chortitza, South Russia.

8.       Susanna Harder,5 #175517, b. 7 Jun 1882.6 She married Henry J. Thiessen #174738, 9 Jun 1902, b. 3 May 1878, (son of Jacob F. Thiessen #174731 and Maria J. Rahn #174730) d. 1 Mar 1946, Burwalde, East Reserve, Manitoba. Susanna died Aug 1981, Morden, Manitoba.
                            Children:
                       i       Susanna H. Thiessen #175683, b. 10 Apr 1903, d. 28 Mar 1990.
                       ii       Henry H. Thiessen #175684, b. 6 Aug 1905, d. 4 Jul 1964.
                       iii       Cornelius H. Thiessen #175685, b. 30 Sep 1907.
                       iv       John H. Thiessen #175686, b. 11 Oct 1911.
                       v       Maria H. Thiessen #175687, b. 22 Dec 1913, d. 13 Aug 1984.
                       vi       Annie H. Thiessen #175688, b. 8 Jun 1924.

9.       Elizabeth "Luise" Harder,5 #174759, b. 10 May 1894, Neu Osterwick, Chortitza, South Russia.6, ,7 She married Henry H. Fast #174742, 1 Jun 1919, in Neu Osterwick, Chortitza, South Russia,14 b. 5 Oct 1893,14 (son of Heinrich H. Fast #174728 and Helena J. Thiessen #174734) d. 31 Jul 1989, Winkler, Manitoba.14 Elizabeth died 16 Jul 1961, Rosenfeld, Manitoba.14,7 On Sept. 22,1929, Henry and Eliesabet moved to Wakaw Sask. In Feb. of 1934 Eliesabet was admitted to the Sanitorium in Saskatoon. On August 6th, 1935 she had her first operation, on August 20th the second, on Sept. 10th the third and on Oct. 13t h the 4th. Helen the oldest sibling, remembers how they as children donated blood. Even Henry, who at that time would have been only six years old. The Shirley Banman and David J. Fast submissions give her first name as "Luise." The David J. Fast submission says she died in Altona, Manitoba.
                            Children:
               15.       i       Helen H. Fast #174760 b. 7 Sep 1926.
               16.       ii       Hilda H. Fast #174761 b. 21 Jan 1928.
                       iii       Henry H. Fast #174762, b. 6 Aug 1929, Wakaw, Saskatchewan, d. 3 Oct 1956, Kingston, Jamaica. Henry was enployed with IBM and sent to KIngston Jamaca. On the way to work his vehicle was hit by a bus that resulted in his death. The funeral service was in Rosenfeld on Oct.14 where he is also buried.
               17.       iv       Harold George Fast #174763 b. 18 Sep 1932.

Fourth Generation

10.       Jacob Harder #505002, b. 27 Oct 1896, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia. He married Elizabeth Dyck #504839, 23 Jun 1920, b. 5 Aug 1899,16 (daughter of Jacob Dyck #504841 and Katharina Peters #504840).
                            Children:
                       i       Jacob Harder #504838, b. 9 Oct 1921, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.16
                       ii       Johann Harder #504837, b. 3 Jan 1924, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.16
                       iii       Maria Harder #504836, b. 6 Mar 1926, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.16
                       iv       Heinrich Harder #504835, b. 8 Sep 1928, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.16
                       v       Peter Harder #504834, b. 13 Oct 1931,16 d. 27 Apr 1933, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.16

11.       Helena Harder #505001, b. 14 Sep 1898. She married Abram Petkau #506112, 9 May 1920, b. 11 Aug 1898, (son of Anna Petkau #506127).
                            Children:
                       i       Abram Petkau #504866, b. 20 Jun 1923, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.18
                       ii       Jacob Petkau #504865, b. 21 Jul 1925, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.18
                       iii       Johann Petkau #504864, b. 3 Aug 1927, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.18

12.       Peter Harder #504999, b. 31 Oct 1901. He married Anna Harms #518855, 2 Sep 1924, b. 7 May 1906, (daughter of Kornelius Harms #286812 and Anna Lau #504409). Peter died 20 Jul 1928, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.21
                            Children:
                       i       Anna Harder #504350, b. 18 May 1925, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.21
                       ii       Maria Harder #504349, b. 5 Dec 1926, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia,21 d. 2 Jan 1928, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.21
                       iii       Helena Harder #504348, b. 15 Aug 1928, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia,21 d. 22 Aug 1928, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.21
                       iv       Maria Harder #504347, b. 15 Aug 1928, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia,21 d. 19 Aug 1929, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.21

13.       Johann Harder #504998, b. 28 Jan 1904, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia. He married Katharina Harms #503006, 1928, b. 30 Dec 1908, (daughter of Martin Harms #503009 and Helena Zacharias #503026).
                            Children:
                       i       Johann Harder #498563, b. 28 Feb 1929, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.24 His birth date is apparently incorrect, since February had only 28 days in 1929.
               18.       ii       Martin Harder #475459 b. 1 Sep 1930.
                       iii       Jacob Harder #498562, b. 1933,24 d. 8 Oct 1933, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.24

14.       Helena Harder #505266, b. 19 Sep 1899. She married Johann Klassen #505259, 28 Jul 1919, b. 16 May 1894,27 (son of Julius Gerhard Klassen #504653 and Helena Janzen #504652).
                            Children:
                       i       Helena Klassen #505258, b. 6 Jul 1920, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia,27 d. 26 Oct 1921, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.27
                       ii       Johann Klassen #505257, b. 25 Aug 1921, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.27
                       iii       Jacob Klassen #505256, b. 11 Aug 1924, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.27
                       iv       Helena Klassen #505255, b. 23 Apr 1926, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia,27 d. 21 May 1927, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.27

15.       Helen H. Fast #174760, b. 7 Sep 1926, Winkler, Manitoba. She married Dave Friesen #174806, 12 Jun 1950, in Rosenfeld, Manitoba, b. 16 Nov 1926, (son of Isaac A. Friesen #201805 and Helena Wiebe #201427).
                            Children:
                       i       Donald Dwight Friesen #175217, b. 7 May 1950, Winkler, Manitoba, d. 28 May 1950, Rosenfeld, Borozenko, South Russia.
               19.       ii       Diana Joyce Friesen #203142 b. 8 Aug 1951.
                       iii       David Lloyd Friesen #203143, b. 17 Jan 1953, Winkler, Manitoba.
               20.       iv       Dale Evan Friesen #203144 b. 29 Oct 1957.
               21.       v       Debbie Lynn Friesen #203145 b. 31 Dec 1960.

16.       Hilda H. Fast #174761, b. 21 Jan 1928, Winkler, Manitoba. She married Erdman "Ed" Funk #174807, 29 Oct 1950, in Rosenfeld, Manitoba, b. 8 Feb 1927,28 (son of Heinrich Funk #193977 and Anna Dueck #194079).
                            Children:
               22.       i       Edward Henry Lloyd Funk #175221 b. 6 Dec 1951.
               23.       ii       Douglas Randle Funk #175225 b. 8 Jan 1954.
               24.       iii       Calvin Bradley Funk #175229 b. 30 May 1961.
                       iv       Derrick Earl Funk #175233, b. 15 Jun 1967, Rosenfeld, Manitoba.28

17.       Harold George Fast #174763, b. 18 Sep 1932, Wakaw, Saskatchewan.14,7 He married Ann Rosie Schellenberg #174808, 22 Jun 1952, in Rosenfeld, Manitoba,14,7 b. 16 Nov 1931,14,7 (daughter of Jacob J. Schellenberg #195953 and Agatha Klippenstein #195937) d. 21 Jan 1999, Winkler, Manitoba.14 One record says he was married 21 Apr 1952.
                            Children:
               25.       i       Shirley Ann Fast #175524 b. 12 Dec 1952.
                       ii       Donald Harold Fast #175525, b. 25 Apr 1953, d. 4 May 1953.
               26.       iii       Donna Lynn Fast #175526 b. 22 Jul 1955.
               27.       iv       Henry Robert Fast #175527 b. 3 Sep 1957.
               28.       v       Roma Louise Fast #175528 b. 4 Oct 1959.
               29.       vi       David James Fast #175529 b. 14 Jun 1961.
                       vii       Patricia Mae Fast #175530, b. 11 Jul 1963.

Fifth Generation

18.       Martin Harder #475459, b. 1 Sep 1930, Burwalde, Chortitza, South Russia.24 He married Elisabeth Martens #475562, 3 Sep 1960, in Stalinabad, Tadzhikistan, b. 19 May 1935, (daughter of Julius Julius Martens #103597 and Olga Friedrich Mensch #472212). Martin died 12 Feb 1996, Minden, Westfalen, Germany.
                            Children:
               30.       i       Johann Harder #475457 b. 11 Sep 1961.
               31.       ii       Elsa Harder #475456 b. 13 Jun 1965.

19.       Diana Joyce Friesen #203142, b. 8 Aug 1951, Winkler, Manitoba. She married David John Clemens #175218, 9 Jun 1971, in Steinbach, Manitoba, b. 5 Jan 1948.
                            Children:
                       i       Douglas James Clemens #203235, b. 14 Apr 1974, Winnipeg, Manitoba.
                       ii       David Jason Clemens #203236, b. 14 Apr 1974, Winnipeg, Manitoba.

20.       Dale Evan Friesen #203144, b. 29 Oct 1957, Winnipeg, Manitoba. He married Wendy Wright #175219, 17 Aug 1985, in Benito, Manitoba, b. 25 Apr 1960.
                            Children:
                       i       Neil David Friesen #175220, b. 28 Dec 1988, Leoville, Saskatchewan.
                       ii       Paul Elliot Friesen #203237, b. 22 Sep 1991, Spiritwood, Saskatchewan.

21.       Debbie Lynn Friesen #203145, b. 31 Dec 1960, Steinbach, Manitoba. She married Bruce C. Baergen #203238, 21 Oct 1981, in Steinbach, Manitoba, b. Abt 24 Oct 1961.
                            Children:
                       i       Cara Leanne Baergen #203239, b. 9 Mar 1985, Calgary, Alberta.
                       ii       Alyson Michelle Baergen #203240, b. 12 Aug 1988, Edmonton, Alberta.
                       iii       Sean David Jacob Baergen #203241, b. 7 Nov 1993, Edmonton, Alberta.

22.       Edward Henry Lloyd Funk #175221, b. 6 Dec 1951, Rosenfeld, Manitoba.28 He married Lois Anne Wiebe #175222, 9 Nov 1974, b. 18 Aug 1956, (daughter of Henry Wiebe #147301 and Dora J. Rempel #147265).
                            Children:
                       i       Julie Michelle Funk #175223, b. 25 Apr 1985.28
                       ii       Kayla Janelle Funk #175224, b. 19 Dec 1989.

23.       Douglas Randle Funk #175225, b. 8 Jan 1954, Rosenfeld, Manitoba.28 He married Carla Blouew #175226, 21 Dec 1981, b. 18 Jul 1959.
                            Children:
                       i       Jesse Mikael Funk #175227, b. 11 Feb 1988.
                       ii       Lucas Alexander Funk #175228, b. 3 Jul 1990.

24.       Calvin Bradley Funk #175229, b. 30 May 1961, Rosenfeld, Manitoba.28 He married (1) Valerie Anne Heppner #169852, 1 Jul 1983, b. 26 Sep 1962, (daughter of Oliver Heppner #169777 and Hulda Guenther #169781). He married (2) Joan Heppner #628009. Valerie: One record says her given names are "Valerie Joan" and that she was born 26 Sep 1961.
                            Children by Valerie Anne Heppner:
                       i       Erin Nicole Funk #175231, b. 10 Sep 1986.
                       ii       Michael Bradley Funk #175232, b. 28 Nov 1988.

25.       Shirley Ann Fast #175524, b. 12 Dec 1952, Winnipeg, Manitoba.14 She married John Banman #175531, 14 Sep 1974, in Winkler, Manitoba,14 b. 5 Nov 1951.14
                            Children:
                       i       Michael John Banman #175532, b. 11 Feb 1977, Winnipeg, Manitoba.14 He married Karla Peters #663631, 8 Jul 2001, in Winnipeg, Manitoba.14
                       ii       Cristina Louise Banman #175533, b. 14 Apr 1980, Morden, Manitoba.14

26.       Donna Lynn Fast #175526, b. 22 Jul 1955. She married Errol Leonard Pelser #175534, 29 Apr 1977, b. 3 May 1955.
                            Children:
                       i       Nathan Drew Pelser #175535, b. 23 Jan 1978.
                       ii       Jodi Leanne Pelser #175536, b. 30 Jun 1981.

27.       Henry Robert Fast #175527, b. 3 Sep 1957. He married Brenda Dale Allison #175537, 15 Sep 1979, b. 16 Jan 1960.
                            Children:
                       i       Errin Lee Fast #175538, b. 17 Sep 1982.
                       ii       Heather Lynn Fast #175539, b. 16 Nov 1985.

28.       Roma Louise Fast #175528, b. 4 Oct 1959. She married Allan Gerrad Maronese #175540, 12 Oct 1985, b. 13 Sep 1961.
                            Children:
                       i       Jessica Rhianne Maronese #175541, b. 24 Oct 1988.
                       ii       Andrew David Maronese #175542, b. 11 Mar 1990.
                       iii       Luisa Michelle Maronese #175543, b. 25 Nov 1991.

29.       David James Fast #175529, b. 14 Jun 1961, Altona, Manitoba.7 He married Tannis Ruth Redekopp, ,5 #422089, 13 Oct 1990, in Winnipeg, Manitoba,7 b. 28 Feb 1968,29,7 (daughter of Harold Irwin Redekopp #422088 and Erna Anna Defehr #414924).
                            Children:
                       i       Meghan Fast #662801, b. 18 Nov 1997, Toronto, Ontario.7
                       ii       Julia Fast #662800, b. 18 Nov 1997, Toronto, Ontario.7

Sixth Generation

30.       Johann Harder #475457, b. 11 Sep 1961, Orenburg Colony, Russia. He married Irina Barwinskaja #475455, 15 Jan 1983, b. 12 Jul 1962.
                            Children:
                       i       Olga Harder #475454, b. 18 Jul 1983.
                       ii       Johann Harder #475453, b. 24 Mar 1987.

31.       Elsa Harder #475456, b. 13 Jun 1965, Orenburg Colony, Russia. She married Alexander Beiden #475452, 15 Mar 1986, in Orenburg Colony, Russia, b. 23 Sep 1958.
                            Children:
                       i       Anna Beiden #475451, b. 13 Feb 1987.
                       ii       Maria Beiden #475447, b. 5 Aug 1990.

This information is taken from the GRANDMA project. For more information see GRANDMA refers to the Genealogical Registry and Database of Mennonite Ancestry database project. GRANDMA is a project of the California Mennonite Historical Society's Genealogy Project Committee. Distributed on CD-ROM, the current version 4.1 of the database contains genealogical information about 713,132 individuals, most of whose ancestral lines can be traced to Mennonite communities in Poland and Russia. Details are provide at http://www.fresno.edu/affiliation/cmhs/gpc/index.htm





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