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Re: Frank and John HARDER, Samoan Islands, c.1880s
Posted by: Manaia (ID *****7507) Date: December 19, 2006 at 22:51:23
In Reply to: Re: Frank and John HARDER, Samoan Islands, c.1880s by Ka'Ike of 591

Talofa/Hello Ka'lke:

Below is a post (per the Rootsweb SAMOA mailing list) by Christine Liava'a and maybe you're already familiar with what Christine is seeking?


On the Apia War Memorial is a list of all the soldiers from Samoa who fought
in ww1.
I am trying to identify them all.
There are some who served in the American army and navy, presumably from
American Samoa.

Can anyone tell me more about these men?

HARDER F              ABLE SEAMAN USNavy
HARDER P              PVTE US ARMY
MOORS H W              PVTE US ARMY
PAUL J               PVTE US ARMY
ULBERG F              PVTE US ARMY

So generous and kind of you to share and you may rest assure there is no hidden agenda regarding my questions for HARDER Family information.

Frank & John HARDER's mother - Mary SULUO'O - had another child by the name of: Agnes KUSTELL.

Posted per Rootsweb mailing list:

"I do have information but not very much. My great grandmother (Mary Suluoo)
born in Solo Solo, Upolu is the mother to Frank Harder and John Harder.
There may have been a third brother but my notes don't include a P Harder
from my elder family information. I just learned of them this summer. She
was married to a full blooded German who wanted to raise the boys in Germany
instead of Samoa and they (divorced if that is what you call it in those
days in Samoa) separated. She later met another man, last name Kustell, who
was a captain (of what I do not know) and that is where my Grandmother links
us, Agnes Kustell was half sister to the Harder boys. Mary must have
relocated to Apia because that is where my grandmother Agnes Kustell was
born Sept 1 1885.

I was very excited to see your posting, I actually think my heart skipped a
beat. Both Frank and John left Samoa and moved to the United States, I
don't know if it was with their father or not, but that is where they joined
the Navy. I have no more facts and hope the information I am passing to you
is accurate."

--Susan Wilson

I am in search of a "source" I'd seen regarding Mary SULUO'O and Frank & John's father and can't remember where I'd seen it. I do recall it was a German document? And I think it has dates of when the father returned to Germany.

"Bottom line, neither parent probably left Samoa with their sons." --Ka'lke

But according to your phrase above that would mean I'm on the wrong trail?

You are so open and very kind-hearted, you tell me if the trail leads hot? or cold?

Fa'afetai tele lava/Thank you so much,

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