Re: Looking to find Harty Family
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Re: Looking to find Harty Family
Brent Harty 2/02/07
Jeffery,
I believe the contention that the Irish and the Dutch in fact did have many intermarriages in Europe or joined here. Many Irish fled to Holland or southern Germany to avoid prosecution. The Harty's left over from the New Holland days did not change their names until they got here. Others married into families that had likewise skills; horses training racing, music, ship construction, stone masons, and woodwright were all the contact points of these two immigrant societies dropped into a wilderness. The Dutch took on the Irish short names as even they were more tolerated then anyone thought to be German.The brit’s use of Hessians mercenaries and some other things before sort of pushed that along. My point is that many Irish lived and marriage folks from Holland before coming here, you just might have a few of the Irish in your wood pile, and they were truly survivors Jeffery and like the Dutch have served the US military in every war.
All Harty’s,
I wrote this to answer one request from a relative of a Harty family source, someone doing research to find their roots. I offer all who are researching to join in this sharing of resources and cataloging of Harty’s, regardless of where they came from to get to America.
I can tell you where to look and what to ask for on these systems, like it has access to all the Census since 1790, if you look you will see there were already Harty's here. Many were Irish who first tried to live in southern Germany, Sweden, Holland, or even France before packing up their total life and heading for the wilderness that this place use to be. The oldest Harty clan I could find in the USA is in Georgetown, Washington DC, there is even a scribed Harty name engraved over the top of the local church entrance, this Harty was a catholic then, he was from Holland! [Do not know if Irish transplant]
It would not take a genus to figure out who the Irish sided with in 1776. [Records] There were to my count 133 Harty's who fought in the civil war, my source? I went to a local library that had a complete collection of troops that served in the civil war; I will send the name of the books collection, printer.Of those 29 fought under Hood with the confederates, the rest served with the Yankee army, yes many battles were fought that both had Harty’s units shooting at each other.
There was also a Harty who was captain of a cargo ship and another captain who was with artillery, a coupled of sergeants, the majority were cannon fodder, only a few survived. Many of the wife’s and children moved off the east coast into the Midwest, Ohio, Indiana, Illinos, some further to Washington and California states. There are approximately 7 shields, “coat of arms”: whatever, they were all in Burkes Armory, which I believed you used to get what information you have.
Remember this always, that book like so many were done by the Brits to keep track of how much taxes the Irish were to pay!The oldest name that comes out of my research is unpronounceable, it has several large letters in it, and was no doubt done around the end of the 7th century AD, when the written word came to Ireland, and our name was the product of the original converted by Latin spellings of a hunter-gathers society sounding –out names!
There is a prior to WWI story to be had on this site of another Harty who was taken off the veterans roll around the time of the WWI thinking this guy who fought in the civil war must be dead, well he was not, see he was a drummer boy at the age of 13 when he enlisted and went to war, he was still in his 70’s, but the letters from the VA to this guy and back are worth some reading.
Also you will no doubt bump into stories about some Harty’s being sent in chain gangs to Australia for attempting to create conditions in Ireland for insurrection against the crown. Further most survived long enough to hitch a ride to San Francisco and work their way east.To many retired union guys like me and my brothers and Da we considered these guys our Irish Robin-Hoods hero’s.
The coat of arms I claim [Out of the seven] has three dark green tri-cornered clovers, one at the top and two under the center band. In Latin at the bottom was written in Latin, “death before dishonor”, the mid band has a gold background and three ravens facing to the right with folded wings of dark purple blue, the background for the rest is cream or a light green. With the collection I now have and what I hope to gather I am trying to put together a few Harty’s family trees to trance backward as a collective. [Four shields are holy land English]
If you have access to research sites and are willing to do a little digging I can get you the questions with you having the sources and I the questions for the records that are need to be searched perhaps we could use your linage as one of the families to be research for the book? It is my want that all who participate should start and follow the same path through the same records, [eight eyes are better then one] we could be helping each other that way.
I even have made contacts in some states about some of the individuals involved; so I found out the names Charles and James were the most prominent first names. I figure around 8 families for the base of this book, so I will also will be looking for other Harty’s who would like to join in this endeavor for their own satisfactionHope this helps Kathleen, thanks for dropping me a line. I am a 63 year old VietNam veteran, my Da and his brothers fought in WWII, and Korea and I am a retired guy who got a ancient history degree at 60 years of age, so I could squeeze a master’s paper out of this as well!
Thanks again,
Joseph Francis Patrick Harty, born in Urbana, Illinois son of a teamster
[email protected]
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