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Iowa Herzberg mystery - who was D.L.Dietrich Herzberg's (1813-1887) wife?
Posted by: K B Stahlman (ID *****5386) Date: December 24, 2002 at 12:31:08
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This is long, but bear with me. I need help in solving a Herzberg mystery. I am a descendent of D. L. Dietrich Herzberg (1813-1887) and his wife. The problem is, I have 2 names for his wife but they both have the same birth and death dates.

For many years I have had much of the same information Rich Banks has on his Rootsweb family tree ( regarding D. L. Dietrich Herzberg - DOB 18 Feb 1813, DOD 24 Sep 1887 (I notice he has 24 Oct 1887 as his death date - mine is off of the tombstone in Clarinda, Iowa). The source for this information was the Page County History Book (1984 mostly) as well as other on-line sources (unknown reliability).

The tombstone at Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery in Clarinda has his wife as Elizabeth (possible maiden name Alwine). Her DOB is 20 Oct 1817, DOD is 29 Jun 1887. This agrees with Rich's information.

The mystery involves information I received a few months ago from another researcher:
( 53).
She has a baptismal certificate for Diedrich Ludeke Conrad Herzberg, DOB 29 Mar 1814, date of baptism 6 Apr 1814. He was born in Hoyerhagen, Hannover, Prussia. She also has a marriage license for Diedrich Ludeke Conrad Herzberg and Gesche Cordes, married on 21 Jun 1844 in Hoyerhagen. Gesche's vital dates, according to this researcher, are DOB 20 Sept 1817 in Hannover (state? city?), DOD 29 Jun 1887 in Page County, Iowa. Again, with the same death date and very similar birth dates - are we looking at the same person?

I would like to believe and verify that they are the same people. One clue that I have comes from a newspaper index I found on-line: If you look under John Henry Herzberg (near the top) it shows his parents as being "Dietrich Conrad Herzberg" and "Guste--." The tombstones of D. L. Dietrich and Elizabeth Herzberg indicate they had a son named John Henry Herzberg, and the spouse and the dates given in the newspaper article from 1927 match up with the name and dates on the tombstone.

Another guess is that the tombstone could be incorrect. In a photo I have of the tombstones, D. L. Dietrich's and Elizabeth's stones look to be fairly new (the photo was probably taken 20-30 years ago). It would not surprise me if their great-grandson, Walter Bartels, replaced the original old tombstones while he was alive. He also may have replaced the stones for his other great-grandparents, Friedrich & Elizabeth Rippe Herzog, since they are identical in size, shape, and information provided. Could the original stones have worn enough to account for the differences in the dates? I have photos of some of the original stones, and they do appear to be worn. It does not explain the Gesche Cordes - Elizabeth Alwine mystery, though.

I do not know what sources Rich Banks used to find the maiden name of Alwine for Elizabeth. I wasn't able to find it on my own. The obituary for Herman Herzberg (my gggrandfather) does not include the names of his parents, so I primarily got my information from D.L.'s tombstone. Herman Herzberg's death certificate lists his mother's maiden name as "Unknown."

I looked at the census images on to see if I could clear up the mystery. This is what I have:

Found on 1870 Census: Illinois>Cook County>Rich Twp> p. 549, image 1 on Ancestry:
Hertzburg, Detrich age 50, White, Male, Farmer, value pers prop $400, born Hannover, parents foreign born
Herzburg, Theressa age 50, White, Female, Keeps house, born Hannover, parents foreign born
(but where are their sons Dick & John H?)

Found on 1880 Census: Iowa>Page County>Nodaway Twp>p. 412:
Herzberg, Richard age 66, White, Male, Farmer, born Hannover, parents born Hannover
Herzberg, Sophiah age 60 White, Female, Keeping House, born Hannover, parents born Hannover
(probably D. L. Dietrich - right between John H. Herzberg and family, and Herman Herzberg & family on census form)

Are these my Iowa Herzbergs? If so, how can we explain the name differences? I can see how Theressa in 1870 can be mistaken for Gesche, but Sophia? Maybe a middle name?

I ordered copies of their birth certificates, but Iowa Vital Records did not have them, nor did Nodaway Valley Historical Society. I haven't found any church records from Hoyerhagen in the LDS files, but I may not be looking in the right place.

I would appreciate any information anyone can provide to help me and other researchers find out the name of D. L. Dietrich Herzberg's wife.

Thanks for any help you can provide!

Kathy Bartels Stahlman

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