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Johann Hiebert, 1816, South Russia
Posted by: Ed Hiebert Date: May 07, 2000 at 21:16:28
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My research on Johann Hiebert (1816-1890) and his wife, Eva Knelsen Hiebert (1820-1875) and their ancestors has yielded results which
vary somewhat from those previously posted on this site. Johann Hiebert was born on May
25, 1816 (current Gregorian calendar/May 13,
1816 by the old Russian calendar) in
Halbstadt, Molotschna region, South Russian
(now the Ukraine). It had been previously
thought that he was born in Neukirch, but
Neukirch was not founded until 1818 or 1819,
and census information suggests Halbstadt as
the most likely location. The Genealogy
Register of the Kleine Gemeinde of Mennonites gives March 8, 1838 as the date of Johann and Eva's marriage, which should translate to
March 20, 1838 by the current Gregorian
calendar. It also gives May 10, 1820 as the
date of Eva's birth, which should be consistent with the current Gregorian calendar if she were born in Prussia. In the 1880 U.S. census, Johann and Eva's oldest son, Abraham, indicates Prussia as the location of his mother's birth. Johann (1816-1890) was the son of Abraham Johann Hiebert, presumably born in 1790 in Schonsee (umlaut on the "o"), (district of) Tiegenhoff, East Prussia, and Elisabeth Hoogen, presumably born in 1794 in Gartz, (district of) Mowa (umlaut on the "o"), Prussia. Abraham's (1790) family immigrated to the Molotschna region in 1803, and arrived in Halbstadt on June 21, 1804, presumably old Russian calendar. Abraham (1790) had a brother Johann, born about 1793, as well as a brother Jakob, and sisters Catharina, Elisabeth, Margaretha, and Maria. Abraham Hiebert (1790) was the son of Johann Huebert, presumably born about 1760 in Schonsee, and Catharina Martins, presumably born about 1758 in Schonsee. This Johann Huebert (1760) was the son of Jakob Hübert and Agnetha Penner Wiebe, both also of Schonsee. Abraham (1790) was married to Elisabeth Hoogen (1794) on July 15, 1813, presumably old Russian calendar, in Halbstadt. Elisabeth Hoogen (1794) was the daughter of Peter Hooge, born about 1754, and his wife Judith, born about 1765, both also from Mowa. Abraham (1790) was part of the family of Heinrich David Epp in Halbstadt when he married Elisabeth in 1813; the 1835 Molotschna census shows her to be his second wife. His first wife may have been one of Heinrich's daughters Maria or Catarina; this would make him Heinrich's son-in-law, rather than brother-in-law as stated in the translation of the 1835 census. They apparently had no children that lived
to adulthood, as none show up on the 1835
census. Family notes printed in "The Family
of Johann Hiebert, 1816-1975" coupled with
this information suggest that Abraham (1790)
married yet again after the 1835 census, and
had seven more children by this latter
marriage.

Johann Hiebert's (1816-1890) wife, Eva
Knelsen Hiebert (1820-1875) was the daughter
of Martin Knelsen/Kornelsen/Cornelsen, born
March 4, 1787 in Terespolna, West Prussia,
and Anna Unruh/Unrau, presumably born about
1787 near Klein Konopat, West Prussia.
Martin (1787) would be 47 at the time of the
1835 Molotschna census. The translation of
this census shows him to be 44. There seems
to be an accuracy factor of plus or minus two years when comparing ages on the 1835 census
with known dates of birth from other sources; in some cases the person recording the census information seemed to be projecting a
person's age later that year. Looking at a
photocopy of a photocopy of the microfilm of
the original Russian record from which this
translation was made suggests that this age
of 44 might be a mis-read of 47. Martin
(1787) was the son of Jacob Cornelsen, born
January 26, 1752 in Klein Konopat, and
Trincke Wedels. I have additional
information on their ancestors. Martin's
(1787) wife Anna Unruh/Unrau was the widow of David Buller. She and Martin were married
sometime between the death of David Buller on March 17, 1813 and the birth of their first
daughter, Maria, on April 6, 1815 in Klein
Konopat. Martin (1787) arrived in Russia in
1820, apparently with the congregation from
the Przechowko, West Prussia area who founded the village of Alexanderwohl in the
Molotschna region in South Russia. He died
in Alexanderwohl in 1860. His wife, Anna,
died in Alexanderwohl in 1865.

Johann Hiebert (1816-1890), his wife Eva
Knelsen Hiebert (1820-1875), and their
youngest daughter Margaret, as well as their
older children Abraham, Anna, Peter, and
Maria, and their spouses and children,
immigrated to Quebec City, Quebec aboard the
S.S. Prussian. They departed Liverpool,
England on June 3, 1875, and docked in Quebec at 11:30 p.m. on June 18, 1875 (current
Gregorian calendar). Johann's (1816-1890)
account of this migration are printed on Page 6 of "The Family of Johann Hiebert,
1816-1975," where it appears to be
attributed to his son, Johann (1843-1923),
who actually made the voyage the previous
year with his spouse and family aboard the
S.S. Austrian, docking in Quebec on August
31, 1874.

I have some additional information on the
siblings of Johann Hiebert (1816-1890) and
Eva Knelsen Hiebert (1820-1875). I
also have information on the sources used for all of this information, if anyone is
interested.


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