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Re: himebaughs in MN
Posted by: KimAnn Moline (ID *****1706) Date: January 02, 2008 at 12:58:58
In Reply to: himebaughs in MN by Amanda Himebaugh of 21

I was looking for something else about some other relatives and then happened upon your post. I believe I can answer some of your questions (although my response may raise some unexpected questions for you as well). First, I think we do share the same relative in question. I am going to tell you what I know, and it may or may not be what you are looking for, as there definitely is a bit of soap opera-style drama in the history. There is a chance It may not be him, but I think the puzzle pieces fit. My name is Kim Moline and I am the granddaughter of Hazel Himebaugh Moline. Hazel was the daughter of Judge Thomas Cameron Himebaugh (a municpal Judge in West Duluth) and his wife Lillian Perrault. They moved to Duluth from Pennsylvania, around the mid to late-1800’s, and Duluth is where they raised their four children: their daughter Hazel and their three sons, one who was named Cameron Thomas Himebaugh. He was born in 1894 and died in the late summer of 1968 in Minnesota. He was technically my great-Uncle Cameron - I vividly remember attending his funeral when I was 11, since it was the first funeral I ever went to. So, he died about 40 years ago, when he was 74 years old. This is the Cameron Thomas who we think is the probable ‘father’ of your grandfather. As you read the rest of this post and circumstances, in the end you’ll have to decide for yourself whether this is indeed him, and if the story I am relaying fills in the gaps of your mystery: Apparently, Cameron Thomas did not ‘bolt’ as what is implied. If this indeed is the Cameron Thomas that you are referring to, the two of our relatives were realtively young adults way back then, when they were involved with each other. They still lived back in an era of arranged marriages, and he was simply not permitted to marry your great -grandmother. There were two reasons for this: the rumor (or reality) was that she supposedly worked as a ‘dancehall’ girl and that lifestyle was not approved of by his parents. Your great-grandmother was not happy that she was not welcomed with open arms by his family. Since I never met your great-grandmother, and never have even seen any pictures of her, I am just telling you what I honestly overheard during a conversation between the elder Himebaughs when they were reflecting on his past, at the time of Cameron Thomas’s death. We were hoping you could let us know about your great-grandmother since we really don’t know much more than what was mentioned during that time and later, of what was reiterated about these details to us during a few conversations with his sister (my grandmother). Never-the-less, way back when the two were involved, the Himebaugh family would not approve or allow a marriage. Another looming factor and hesitation on their part was because his family was indeed questioning whether Cameron Thomas was actually even the ‘father’ of your grandfather. When your great-grandmother announced she was pregnant, it was also well known that she had several relationships going on all at that same time (today’s DNA testing would have solved this mystery for everyone!). None of the other men she was involved with would claim the baby. Since Cameron Thomas was one of her various relationships, and he really did care for your great-grandmother, rather than ‘bolting’ like the others did (and also possibly to spite his strong willed parents), he stepped up and claimed the baby as his - this was despite the ongoing flurry of paternity doubts and family pressure for him to break off communication with her. He could not completely disobey his family and yet he could not deny that perhaps your grandfather was possibly his son, but then again on the other hand he could never totally be sure of really being the baby’s father either. And, though he may not have supported her personally, and was discouraged from and prevented from seeing her, he always consistantly managed to give your great-grandmother money (often discreetly, without the knowledge of his parents) to support your grandfather -throughout- his entire upbringing. Though forbidden to marry her, Cameron Thomas let her give the baby his name anyway and called him his son. That type of support was fairly unheard of back in those days - especially if one’s family opposed the situation. My grandmother said that your great-grandmother was very unhappy about how this all panned out, and for the most part after that, Cameron Thomas pretty much was actually pushed out of the picture by your great-grandmother, except for when he gave her the regular child support. We have no idea how much contact she allowed Cameron Thomas to have with the child, or what she ended up telling the boy about his paternity, or what she ended up telling other people about the whole situation for that matter. Perhaps because she wasn't happy, she told everyone he 'bolted.' And that is pretty much the jist of it. Cameron Thomas made his living in real estate and later supposedly introduced your grandfather into the real estate business as well, when he was of age for a profession. As time went on, Cameron Thomas drifted away from contact with your great-grandmother, but supposedly kept in regular contact with his ‘son’, your grandfather, both personally and professionally. I do not know much about their relationships beyond this - I don’t know if they got along well or not. It seems odd though, that if they had any sort of personal and business relationship, that your grandfather would say outright that he was illigitimate. Because of all of the surrounding intrigue, perhaps your grandfather always questioned his own paternity and legitimacy, and never really felt comfortable with the situation or never believed in the end that he ever knew who his real father was, even though Cameron Thomas claimed him and named him his son. Cameron Thomas continued to work in real estate the rest of his life until he retired. During his real estate years, he did eventually marry - I don’t remember his wife’s name, and they had one son, who was already an adult at the time of his death back in 1968 - and I am not sure where he lives - or if he is even still alive now, as I have not lived in Minnesota for over 30 some years myself and have not kept in contact with that branch of our family (since all of our associated older relatives have long ago passed on). I do remember that Cameron Thomas’s wife was of frail health and eventually died from a battle with cancer. I also remember when I was very young (maybe 6 or 7 years old) that our family visited him, after she died - that was in San Antonio, Texas, where he had a small winter vacation home. I remember seeing old great Uncle Cameron Thomas at family picnics, and he was often at one of the other older relatives lake cabins near Duluth, etc. I remember him being polite and nice to us kids. My sister may have some pictures of the Himebaugh family (including a picture of Cameron Thomas) and if you want, I could e-mail that to you - if they both look like each other, well then our Cameron Thomas probably is his father. We never heard of what ever happened to your great - grandmother since we did not know much about her anyway and she had already exited out of the picture long before I was even born. We had no idea what she went on to do, or where she lived, or if she married, had any other children, etc. - and we don’t really even know anything else about your grandfather or your family beyond what I am relaying to you. I also asked my mother, who is now in her 70’s, about this and she said that she remembers this story to be the same as she knew it to be, hearing about it both from Hazel and from Lillian and other Himebaugh family members and their friends. My mother says she never really knew anything about your great-grandmother either, except remembers the ‘dancehall girl’ part of it and she remembers that Lillian unfortunately was not at all happy about Cameron Thomas’s romance with her, that there was indeed plausible question of paternity (due to her other multiple romances), that Cameron Thomas did indeed claim the baby and always supported your grandfather, and that eventually ‘father’ and ‘son’ did work together to some degree in real estate. So, that is about all we know, hopefully this series of revelations may at least help you determine if the Cameron Thomas Himebaugh of our family could be the man you are wondering about, and maybe this will give you some insight and (more than likely unexpected) answers or lead to more questions as to the ‘mysterious’ circumstances surrounding a slice of the past life and perhaps difficult times of relatives of both of ours! Like I said, this has all the makings of an old Victorian sort of soap opera, but then again, the reality is that most of life really is a soap opera!


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