Re: From where "IBARRA's" actually comes?
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Re: From where "IBARRA's" actually comes?
8/12/99
Eva,
You've got your history a little mixed up.
First of all, Francisco de Ibarra never went to Florida and has no connection whatsover to Florida.The person who does have both a Florida and a Sinaloa connection is Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca.In the 1530's, Alvar Nunez was shipwrecked in Florida and wandered across North America.Eventually, Nunez made his way to Culiacan, Sinaloa, where the Spaniards had established an outpost.Nunez did not conquer anything, nor did he establish any settlements: his sole mission was to survive and return to civilization.
First of all, Francisco de Ibarra never went to Florida and has no connection whatsover to Florida.The person who does have both a Florida and a Sinaloa connection is Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca.In the 1530's, Alvar Nunez was shipwrecked in Florida and wandered across North America.Eventually, Nunez made his way to Culiacan, Sinaloa, where the Spaniards had established an outpost.Nunez did not conquer anything, nor did he establish any settlements: his sole mission was to survive and return to civilization.
Francisco de Ibarra does not appear on the scene until 30 years later when, in the early 1560's, he is commissioned Capitan General by the Viceroy in Mexico City and charged with the responsibility of conquering the lands north of Zacatecas.During the next dozen years or so, Ibarra made numerous expeditions (called "entradas") into the territory that became known as La Nueva Vizcaya.
Francisco de Ibarra does not appear on the scene until 30 years later when, in the early 1560's, he is commissioned Capitan General by the Viceroy in Mexico City and charged with the responsibility of conquering the lands north of Zacatecas.During the next dozen years or so, Ibarra made numerous expeditions (called "entradas") into the territory that became known as La Nueva Vizcaya.On one of these entradas, Ibarra traversed the Sierra Madre Occidental after conquering Topia.His army followed the barranca carved by the Rio Tamazula to the lowlands of Sinaloa then inhabited by Acaxee Indians.These Indians told Ibarra that white men like him lived farther west towards the coast.Ibarra continued on to Culiacan where he found a handful of ragged Spaniards who were under constant attack by the Indians and who were completely cut off from contact with Guadalajara, the capital of Nueva Galicia.
On one of these entradas, Ibarra traversed the Sierra Madre Occidental after conquering Topia.His army followed the barranca carved by the Rio Tamazula to the lowlands of Sinaloa then inhabited by Acaxee Indians.These Indians told Ibarra that white men like him lived farther west towards the coast.Ibarra continued on to Culiacan where he found a handful of ragged Spaniards who were under constant attack by the Indians and who were completely cut off from contact with Guadalajara, the capital of Nueva Galicia.Obviously, I could go on and on with this history lesson.The point, however, is that just because Francisco de Ibarra conquered Sinaloa and rescued the Spaniards beseiged in Culiacan, does not mean that he "founded" Mocorito.
Obviously, I could go on and on with this history lesson.The point, however, is that just because Francisco de Ibarra conquered Sinaloa and rescued the Spaniards beseiged in Culiacan, does not mean that he "founded" Mocorito.Yes, Ibarra did pass through the territory where Mocorito is situated, and yes, Ibarra did bring Spanish rule to the region.But, that is all.I'm sure that if you look up the date that Mocorito was founded, it was probably not until the century after Ibarra passed through the region.
Yes, Ibarra did pass through the territory where Mocorito is situated, and yes, Ibarra did bring Spanish rule to the region.But, that is all.I'm sure that if you look up the date that Mocorito was founded, it was probably not until the century after Ibarra passed through the region.Also, as I mentioned before, Ibarra's family lived in Zacatecas and Durango.I seem to recall that Francisco de Ibarra never married or had children (but I'd have to look this up in the history books to be certain).I do know that after Francisco de Ibarra died, it was his uncle Diego de Ibarra who succeeded him as Governor of La Nueva Vizcaya.Since Francisco de Ibarra's titles as Captain General and Governor were hereditary, one would expect his eldest son (if he one) to inherit these titles -- not his uncle.
Also, as I mentioned before, Ibarra's family lived in Zacatecas and Durango.I seem to recall that Francisco de Ibarra never married or had children (but I'd have to look this up in the history books to be certain).I do know that after Francisco de Ibarra died, it was his uncle Diego de Ibarra who succeeded him as Governor of La Nueva Vizcaya.Since Francisco de Ibarra's titles as Captain General and Governor were hereditary, one would expect his eldest son (if he one) to inherit these titles -- not his uncle.I don't mean to trash your illusions about being a descendant of Francisco de Ibarra.But, it is important to explore history and know more precisely what happend hundreds of years ago before you jump to conclusions that you are related to people with whom you share a surname.
I don't mean to trash your illusions about being a descendant of Francisco de Ibarra.But, it is important to explore history and know more precisely what happend hundreds of years ago before you jump to conclusions that you are related to people with whom you share a surname.Good luck in your research.More Replies:
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