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Dr. Ketner/Kettner update
Posted by: Sarah Marie Date: March 05, 2002 at 20:58:26
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Hi I am searching for a John Conrad Kettner who was a doctor and is said to have road with the "Rough Riders". There is no clue as to who his relatives were. Even Dr. Kettner's children do not know who their grandparents were. The only thing I know for certain is that he was a doctor in Leola South Dakota.


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File: Leola SD, Centennial Book, 1884-1984 . . . . . . . . . . . .
Occurrence #1, Line 1325
Dr. Kettner, who came to Leola from Hosmer, confined his work to office
practice. Dr. Kettner came to Leola at the same time Dr. Kearns was practicing
here which meant Leola had two practicing physicians.
File: Hosmer SD, Centennial Book, 1887-1987. . . . . . . . . . . .
Occurrence #2, Line 18320
Dr. Frankenstein was the first doctor to come to Hosmer. We do not have the
exact year, but it is thought it was about 1900. He was followed by Dr.
Kettner who was a brother-in-law of Pastor Taueber who was the Lutheran
minister at that time.

South Dakota Census of 1915 - grandfather states he's lived in S.D. 13 years (if this date can be depended upon as being accurate) it would put him in S. D. again about 1902 (first time being 1892 in Mitchell).

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OTHER INFO RECEIVED
In the 5th edition (1916) of the American Medical Directory, Dr. J.C. Kettner is listed in Leola, S.D. on p 1428. It says he was born in 1865, graduated from the University of Berlin in 1887 and was licensed to practice in S.D. in 1892. Population of Leola was listed as 484. The other physician listed in Leola in this 1916 directory was George G. Kerns, born 1881, licensed in 1907 and a graduate of the Sioux City College of Medicine in Iowa in 1906. You might look in other editions of this directory which was first published in 1906. I have a copy of the 1904 edition of Polk's Medical Directory (a rival directory to this one). It lists p1026) John C. Kettner as practicing in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Says he was a graudate of the Univ of Berlin in 1876 and that his office in Grand Rapids was at 55 West Bridge.
Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Todd Savitt



I do not know if this is my great grandfather..........but it is so darn close..And this: Rochester abstract............Newspaper Abstracts
... rest of article) **** ORLEANS Dr. Konrad KETTNER, a German having a commanding address
and gentlemanly bearing, recently located at Lyons. He came direct from ...
www.newspaperabstracts.com/NY/Monroe/1889/SEP.html - 77k - Cached - Similar pages

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THINGS THAT MAY BE RELATED
Look at: Brandenberg Grenadiers 2 (under military - Stralsund ?)

*Check - Pr. Brandenberg, Berlinstadt, Saint Martin -
Franz Carl Kettner (male - christened 8/14/1864 ) Born to: Franz Alexander Kettner and Maria Hildegard Bokenmayer (check both - all their children and Franz Alexander's parentage). I think it was probably the name thing (Hildegard) and the date of birth (1864) - wondered if it could have been a brother ???

Check German Empire Fencing School (SAHR MAGDELBURG, SCHWABACH)

Mother thought grandfather's brother was named "Karl" (Carl) Kettner - and possibly was a lithographer - I did check Chicago - did find a Kettner, with a daughter named Helen, but they didn't appear (after writing) to be connected. I also had a note to check Iowa, Indiana, and Illinois...

Check: Re-check German Nobility - German Royal uard

*Looking in Sweden under Kettner, I found: AMANDA ULRIKA KETTNER - Christened 1870 Uppl to Carl Franz Kettner and Mathilda Jansdr Kettner
(keep this one separate for a minute... then look above - don't know if it relates or not)

No Vaesubeg

France brought up (Kettner) - 1815 (Mr. Kettner) born to Maria Van Rugge DeYoung.
Don't know this is any relation...

Check: 1900 Federal Census of all military personnel.. - then I have check FHL (whatever that was).

Grandfather would have served 3 years in the German military (a requirement)

Old check, which I did with other, but she said it didn't sound familiar -
John J. Pershing - he would have been 4 or 5 yrs. older than grandfather. He taught military science at the University of Nebraska. The president (U.S.) decreed this science in 1866 and there were approximately 100 instructors by 1893. Pershing taught 1891 - 1895. The program helped provide officers for the Spanish American War.
It was my idea that possibly with grandfather having served in the military in Germany, with his credentials, etc. he would have been a natural for being in the above program and also this would have been a "why he joined the Rough Riders" - this was just a guess to check out, nothing more. But, since the first place we find him is Wayne County, Nebraska - it was one of those light bulb ideas. Have not a clue if this is related in any way. Also, with his Fencing Masters credentials, it would have helped him - along with being a doctor.

Below are (above in the attach box) attachments showing medals and pictures:
If you can't read what my (old) writing says, I'll put it below:

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SIMPLY CLICK ON "ATTACH" UNDER THE "SUBJECT" TO OPEN

FRONT SIDE OF MEDALS
Quote from encyclopedia Americana - Re: Grenadier
"Originally a foot soldier trained in the throwing of hand grenades. Grenadiers formed the "Corps D'Elite" of infantry regiments in the armies of Napoleon I, Frederick II of Prussia and in the 18th Century British Army, where the name survives in the Grenadier Guards." (Grenadiers were 1st used in the 1400's!)

The metals we thought were grandfathers were not - they were probably his fathers, as they were given at the end of the Franco Prussian War... Too early for grandfather to be involved.

A medal historian gave me the following facts on the medals:
Veterans (administration) metal. It was very unusual to have the crowns above.
The crossed swords pointed up meant war - pointed down (which these are) meant peace. These were given during peacetime.

Round one shows 1870/71 - was probably given out in 1895 (25 year jubilee of the re-establishment of the German Kingdon (head side of medal).
Ribbon (under crown and across swords) reads "2.BRANDB. GRENadier.12" (2nd Brandenburg Grenadier REgiment 12)

The following names are on the medal: Paris, Sedan, Alsace, Lorraine, Versailles, Paris (and unsure of the last) - Metz

The ribbon covering the bar the medals are on - starting on the left: black, white, red, black, white - royal blue (under crown area), white, black, red, white, black - then a yellowish orange (or maybe they would have considered it "gold"), then - either navy blue or black - white under the crown (right side) and red or dark orange on the very right.

On the other medal it reads: For Keiser and Kingdom (this is the cross type medal) - with "God for King and Fatherland".

Will try and see if my scanner will obey tomorrow at some point - and do the back of the medal for you... I will be gone (out of town) most of the day tomorrow - but when I get back I'll try... or evening...

REVERSE SIDE OF MEDALS
This is the reverse side of grandfathers medals... the names of cities are here - this is where the other medal also shows for "God and country" (or however I put it on the one I sent last night.

GRANDFATHERS "STUFF" ANOTHER MEDAL
This is the reverse side of grandfathers medals... the names of cities are here - this is where the other medal also shows for "God and country" (or however I put it on the one I sent last night.

GRANDFATHERS PIC. (DR. KETTNER)
the attached is one of the pictures I have of grandfather. He has his spanish american uniform on with the 'sword' by his side. Patty probably has the same picture.

the medals i just sent aren't really medals, what they are are 'lutheran brotherhood', i believe 'sons of herman' pin and can't remember the other one, but when i find the description of all 3 i will send it to you.

the picture of the 'chevrons' are simply his 'captains bars' that were on his shoulders (I have these) in the picture of him in the spanish american war uniform... He also had a maltese cross somewhere on his uniform, which meant 'doctor', so he would have been shown as a doctor (or should have been) wherever he's registered and shown on documents with the spanish american war records...

PS: MEDALS
This is on grandfathers medals, so maybe you could cut this off and paste / tape it with the stuff I sent on his medals?!

This was info on the large medals, given to me by the medal historian:

1870-71 (Franco Prussian War) (Doesn't denote war, but that's when the war took place)

Cross is a veteran medal - 25 year commemorative - would have been received around 1895-6.

Couldn't have been grandfathers - would have been hsi fathers.

Crossed rifles indicate combat.

Missing is one medal - there should be 3, instead of 2 medals...

2nd Brandenberg (etc.) was one of the more elite group of the Franco Prussian wars.

Grandfather may have gone back to Germany to get the medals and the fencing masters diploma - some went back 2 - 3 times.
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MICHIGAN

Frances Franke Kettner (Engleheart / Englehart ?)

Date of birth: 11/29/1870
Place of Birth: German (don't know the town, province, etc.)
Year of Immigration: 1883 (probably came w/parents - would have been 13)

Lived at: 6/1/1900 at 161 W. Brige St., Grand Rapids (she's shown living with grandfather on the census at this addrsss. Also it shows they were married 6 years, which would mean - if correct - they were married about 1894)

2nd marriage: 8/31/1908 Frances Kettner to Charles Wertsch (butcher)
3rd Marriage: 10/24/1929 Frances Wertsch to Charles Fordi (or Frodl) (painter)

Died: 9/10/1937 - died of "Brights Disease - Dropsy" - age 65

Parents name: varies - in her marriage recorded 8/31/1908 (I don't know where I got that)
Parents names: Listed: Father: Emil Engelheart
Mother: Frances __________

Mariage recorded 10/24/1929
Listed: Father: Herman Franke
Mother: Pauline Engelhart

Her death recorded listed parents as "unknown".

South Dakota Census of 1915 - grandfather states he's lived in S.D. 13 years (if this date can be depended upon as being accurate) it would put him in S. D. again about 1902 (first time being 1892 in Mitchell).

This may mean that if he had a divorce from Frances it would probably have been between 6/1/1900 and 1902! As, the 6/1/1900 census shows him living on Bridge St., Grand Rapids and Frances is shown as his wife!



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NEBRASKA

In case you can't read it:

"State of Nebraska, County of Wayne, --ss,
F, Conrad Hinrich Kettner do declare on oath,
that is is my bonifide intention to become a citizen of the United States, and renounce and (alieve ?) forever, all allegiance and fidelity to all and any foreign Prince, Potentate, State or Soverignty whatever, and particularly to the
Emperor William II (Think they meant Wilhelm ?)

of whence (?) I was a subject. And I do solemnly swear, that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution and laws of this State. So help me God.
Signed: Dr. C. Kettner (grandfather didn't sign his "t's", so it looks like Kellner)
Subscribed in my presence, and sworn to before me, this 11 day of August A.D. 1890
Looks like: S. B. Russell
Clerk of District Court

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TEXAS
Here's Your Requested Information Regarding:

J.C. Kettner

Only listing I could find in this database:
Directory of Deceased American Physicians

Kettner, J. C. Death date : Oct 25, 1922
Place of death : Leola, SD
Death notice information : Jun 11, 1924, Mrs. J. C. Kettner
Birth date : 1865
Type of practice : Allopath
States and years of licenses : SD, 1892
Places and dates of practices : Leola, SD, 1887
Medical school(s) : Friedrich-Wilhelms Universitaet Medizinsche Fakultaet,
Berlin, Berlin, 1887, (G)
Kettner, J. E. Death date : Dec 31, 1929
Death date note : This is an approximation of the individual's death date.
Type of practice : Allopath
States and years of licenses : TX, 1908
Other education : N.W. Univ
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Re: Spanish American War

Medal historian also said grandfathers definitely was a Spanish American Federal war uniform. Showed he was a Medical Officer - that uniform was worn by the Rough Riders between 1895 and 1903. The eagle on the cap meant he was an officer.

The Maltese Cross changed to a "Caduceus" in 1903.

Put this with your spanish american war info
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This is Dr. Kettners only son Werner Kettner married Delma Bryson and Aunt Patty Kettner is their only child.


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