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Re: kibbles in Gloucestershire Uk
Posted by: Dee Dunn (ID *****6487) Date: September 02, 2006 at 18:12:53
In Reply to: Re: kibbles in Gloucestershire Uk by anne hopkinson of 46

Hi Anne

I think that you posted this message on the Halefamily.net website some time ago.
" I am a descendant from Hales from Cinderford & Forest of Dean. Looking for descendants of Henry Hale b.26-3-1849, son of John Hale & Harriet Nelius of Berry Hill. Henry m. Elizabeth (Vera) Critchley. He is buried at St John the Evangelist Cinderford. They had 9 children one of them my g/g/grandfather John Hale b.7-7-1877 m Fanny Kibble. Any help appreciated"

I tried to contact you using the email address given but it bounced back.

Recently I have been doing a bit more research into my HALE ancestry and just this week I have been tracking down the family of one of my 4 x gt grandparent's sons, brother to my 3 x gt grandfather and which has led me to finding a John & Harriet HALE who had a son Henry born c1849. I think they may be the family you are looking for.

My 4 x gt grandparents were Aaron HALE and Elizabeth EVANS and they had 9 children (that I know about), Susan c1786, Henry c1789 (possibly your descendant), Jane c1792, Thomas c1794 (my 3 x gt grandfather), Molly c1796, William c1799, Hannah c1801, Nancy c1803 and Aaron c1805.

In the 1841 Census, Aaron is living in Lane End, West Dean next door to Thomas and his wife Ann. When I looked for Henry in the census, I found a Henry & Ann HALE also living in Lane End, his age was 50 and even with the census rounding of ages I suspect that he is 'our' Henry. Unfortunately, I haven't found him in the 1851 Census to get a better fix on his age and place of birth. With Henry & Ann were John (c1820) age 21, Harriet 18, Hannah 14, and Ann 12.

I did find John (c1820) in the 1851Census living at Joyford Hill, West Dean with his wife Harriet both were aged 31. With them were their children - Edith 8, Emma 5, Henry (c1849) age 2 and Thomas 7 months. John's place of birth was just given as West Dean and his occupation was Engineer.

In 1861 the family were living in Causeway Road, East Dean (Cinderford) - John & Harriet both 42, Charlotte 16, Emma 14, Henry 12, Thomas 10, John 7, Ann 5 and William 1. John's occupation was Engine Driver and their birthplaces was given as East Dean.

As Charlotte had not been with the family on the night of the 1851 Census, I decided to look for her and found her (aged 6)with her grandparents John & Mary NELMES in Berry Hill, Newland, West Dean - West was given as her birthplace. This led me to believe that John's wife was Harriet NELMES. I searched the BMDs and found a marriage for a John HALE and Harriet NELMS in December quarter 1841 in Chepstow Registration District. I also think that your Harriet NELIUS should actually be NELMS.

In 1871 the family are still in East Dean with John 52 an engine worker at coal pit born Coleford & Harriet, 52 born Berry Hill; Henry unmarried and 22, a collier born Joyford; John 18 a roller in wire mill also born Joyford; William 11 born Joyford; lastly James age 8 born Cinderford.

In 1881 John & Harriet are in Commercial Street, Cinderford but Henry was no longer at home. I found the marriage between Henry HALE and Elizabeth CRITCHLEY in the BMDs for June quarter 1871, Westbury on Severn Registration District. I also found John & Elizabeth in the 1881 Census living at Lea Bailey, Littledean Hill, nr Cinderford with their children Bertha 9, Henry 8, Eliza 6, John 4, Joseph 3 and Sarah 1. Their birthplace for all except Sarah was Parkend. Sarah was born in Littledean Hill.

By the 1891 Census Henry and Elizabeth had had a further 4 children Fred L 9, Earnest 6, Frank 4, and Herbert 8 months and were living at Rose Ville Cottage, Ruspidge. On the 12 July 1892 Elizabeth, aged 42, was buried in Cinderford parish along with their son Harold who was 10 days old. However, Henry soon found a new mother to help him raise his children and on 25 December 1893 he married Alice BROWN in Cinderford Parish Church. It was a day of weddings because not only did he gain a wife, he also gave away his daughter Bertha who married Timothy BROWN on the same day.

By 1901 Henry and Alice had 2 more children of their own, Gertrude 6, and (Alice) Amelia 2. Sadly Alice Amelia died aged 5 and was buried on 9 November 1903 in Cinderford.

The 1901 Census also shows John & Fanny HALE living in Ruspidge, Cinderford with their daughters Bertha 2 and Elsie 1.

Well that's where my trail has led me to, if I am correct with all my assumptions. Perhaps you can confirm or even correct me. I would love to hear from you.

Regards
Dee


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