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John Kiper b 1821 KY,d 12 Apr 1882, m Sally Allen. Children: John Simpson, William Alford, Mary Jane, Miles, BATES (this might be the person that your are looking for), Phillip, Cassie Ellen, Sarah Alice & Ulyssis Grant. I don't have any further information on these Kipers, Just their names John's parents were Jacob Kiper b 1778 d 1845 in Breckinridge Co., KY m. Elizabeth Quick b 1781 d 1859 in Breckinridge Co., KY. The Kipers are my line indirectly. Henry Kiper, Jacob's brother, was the father of my 3 great grand mother, Nancy L. Kiper who married John H. Bruce in Catahoula Parish, LA. Tried to e-mail direct, but was rejected. I will be glad to share information. Bob