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Re: Another Fable: The Latourrettes of Osse, Bearn, Came From Italy
Posted by: John E. La Tourette (ID *****2672) Date: March 06, 2008 at 13:06:14
In Reply to: Re: Another Fable: The Latourrettes of Osse, Bearn, Came From Italy by Mallory Smith of 407

Talk about “verbos conjecture!” That is all we have from some descendants of Jean Latourrette in your group. Your shrill response suggests that my postings are bursting long held fantasies that, among several others, Jean Latourrette was a count and the Latourrettes of Osse, Bearn came from Italy. Tales such as this were accepted by Mr. Lyman Latourette and Mrs. Verna Jacob more than 50 years ago, because they had limited means to verify or reject them. At that time, they did the best they could to tell the story of Jean Latourrette and Marie Mercereau. However, today there is no excuse to perpetuate these falsehoods because the internet and scholarly publications allow us to access detailed scholarly information in France, to have exchanges with scholars at the Center for the Study of Bearnais Protestantism at Pau, France, and to contact several people who have done extensive genealogical research on the Latourrettes of Osse and related families throughout France. I would not have posted “Another Fable: The Latourrettes of Osse, Bearn, Came from Italy” without checking with a number of knowledgeable people and sources in France.

Although DNA search is sometimes appropriate, in this case there is no need for you to throw in a red herring so that you can perpetuate the myth that any name, especially a prominent name, that looks like Latourette in France must be related to the descendants of Jean and Marie in America. Case in point is your assertion that George Gilles de la Tourette born in 1857 in Saint-Gervais-les- Trois-Clochers in Poitou, France, who identified the Tourette syndrome, “is directly related.” (Posting # 130 April 20, 2001) When asked by Mr. Hoadley for documentation, there is no response. In the very detailed French genealogies of the descendants of David Latourrette of Osse (ca 1625-1697) through his son Jacob (ca 1650-1711), the presumed brother of Jean (ca 1651-1726), who stayed in Osse after Revocation, no Gilles de la Tourette (1857-1904) is found. Then, there are the references to a vineyard (#265, March 27, 2005) and a castle (#178, June 24, 2002) which turn out to be the basis of the Latourette count hoax of Vernoux-en-Vivarais, associated with the wine labeled Delas Hermitage Marquis de la tourette from the Hermitage area across the Rhine River from Tournon. If you are concerned about “verbos conjecture,” what about the outright distortions of reality found in the story of the Count de la Tourette at Vernoux-en-Vivarais, whose family was always Catholic and never Protestant? Who never came to Osse as alleged? In the hoax story to justify the count tale, David Latourrette of Osse is alleged to have left for Holland in 1685. Correction: He died in Osse in 1697. The son Jacob is said to have gone to Navarre, Spain, “where his descendants live today.” Correction: That would be a big surprise to his descendants who live in France, including at least four of the genealogists cited above. The author of the hoax, widely circulated, doesn’t even know the simple historical fact that there was an Upper and a Lower Navarre and Jacob stayed in Lower Navarre which was part of France and not Spain, and became the president of the Parliament in Pau, France. The hoax goes beyond that to distort the lives of two sons of Jean and Marie in America: Jean (born 1695) and Pierre (born 1697). The count hoax has them returning to France. Correction: Neither one returned to France. A simple check with Lyman’s book (pp.26-7) or Mr. Hoadley’s more complete genealogy would have shown that Jean died in April of 1794 at Mariners Harbor, Staten Island. Pierre died in 1754 at Fresh Kills, Staten Island, although the hoax has him returning to Osse in 1766. His ghost returned to Osse? The hoax is so bad that it has Jean and Marie being married on July 16, 1693, not as officially recorded by Pastor Peiret in the well documented registers of the French Church of New York, but at Fresh Kills. Then it goes on to say that David (born 1699) and Pierre are members of the Protestant church at Fresh Kills in 1735. Oops, Jon Butler documents in his 1983 book “Huguenots in America” (p. 192) that the church at Fresh Kills was closed a year earlier in 1734. Actually, along with the son Jean, they had some of their children baptized at the Dutch Reformed Church. These “conjectures” can be extended with many more examples.

Since the Vernoux-en-Vivarais count hoax can be shown to be a tale with complete inaccuracies and distortions that defy any logic, I will give you another LaTourette chateau and vineyard to spin an alternative count fable. On the left bank of the Gironde River, north of Bordeaux, is the vineyard Chateau La Tourette (Pauillac) in Saint-Laurent de Medoc, Gironde, France. However, before you get up your enthusiasm for claiming another Latourette relative in France, let me mention that the vineyard was established long after Jean left Osse in 1685 with Pastor Pierre Peiret and his family.

Concurrently, I am posting an article about the American count tale that I wrote for the people of Osse-en-Aspe and Bearn who know the true story of the Latourrettes and are highly amused by all the tall tales concocted by some Latourrettes in America. It appeared in the Bulletin of the Center for the Study of Béarnaise Protestantism last April, which means it was checked by scholars for accuracy. In closing, I note there is a lot more factual, rather than conjectural, material at my disposal.



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