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Re: Lewkenor arms in West Dean church
Posted by: Gillian (ID *****1111) Date: November 16, 2009 at 09:48:32
In Reply to: Re: Lewkenor arms in West Dean church by dave campbell of 41

Hi Dave,
It is great to hear from you!
Thank you very much indeed for this information. I now know that the 1st (possibly 2nd) wife of the first of three generations of Richard Lewkenors who lived at West Dean, Sussex, was this Agnes Colpys.
I knew that she was a Colpys lady from mentions by Prof Michael Questier in “Catholicism and Community in Early Modern England” and “Lewknorum Memoriae Sacrum, but I did not know her Christian name. Thank you.
JOHN COLPES is given by Michael Questier as Sir Richard Lewkenor’s brother-in-law, ‘whose son was a notable recusant, though he eventually conformed’.
“Lewknorum Memoriae Sacrum” notes made 1978, author unknown, West Sussex County Record Office JOHN COLPYS: Author states that notes are unclear as to whether 31 Eliz and 22 Eliz refers to will, death or PM Inq in Sussex Record Society volume: Hr, son, John aged 14, 29 Aug last. Lands … Stoughton …. Trotton … all lands to John … remainder to nephew Richard Lewknor, son of Richard Lewknor esq. of Downley …” From this Richard seems to be the favoured – perhaps eldest nephew since he appears again at the head of a list of non-Lewknor nephews; there is no mention of a Thomas Lewknor. So it looks as if Richard married the sister of John Colpys, the testator. Perhaps the Heralds were misinformed or Thomas died before this will was made or was the child of yet another, perhaps even earlier, marriage; again perhaps he was the eldest son of “Dr.Lewknor” the recusant, brother of Richard 1. This SRS reference could well be re-examined as to the dates and relatedness of an “Agnes” and an “Elizabeth Lewknor” to the others mentioned in the will of John Colpys. SAC XII has this:- “John Colpys of Stoughton, 1st Feb 1586” “… my body, etc in the parish church of Stoughton, in the place there called St.Katherine’s Chancell.” However the Colpys family are sorted out, it seems quite clear that the mother of Richard Lewknor (2) - the “filius natus unicus” was a Colpys and not an Oglander, which, of course, does affect the whole descent. With regard to John Colpys, the presumed father-in-law of Richard 1 , a further check on the dates given in SRS XIV Inq PM makes the entry given for the year of his death really suspect: Inq made 31 Eliz, death 1st Feb 22 Eliz, a gap of 8 or 9 years. The memorial in Stoughton Church records the death of a John Colpys in 1586, also the 1st February.”
An A2A document gives: “John Colpas, an infant, by Ellen his mother v Isabel Knight and Richard her son: Land and cottage held of the manor of Ramfield (Ramsdean, near Peterfield) and Langrish (East Meon, also near Peterfield), Hants. Between 1556-1558.”
All of which I expect you know.
Do you know of the John Colpas mentions in the wills of John Gunter of Racton, in 1557 and Arthur Gunter of Racton, 1578, which I think are both PRO wills)? John Gunter was the second husband of Jane Tirrell, whose first husband was Edmund Lewkenor of Fyning, who died in 1544. Richard Lewkenor (March 1542-1616 )was the second son of this marriage. Richard had two sons, Thomas and Richard – which is why, if you have Richard and Elizabeth as Agnes Colpys’s children, I suspect that there might have been an earlier marriage for the elder Richard. The elder Richard was knighted and appointed Chief Justice of Chester and Deputy President of the Council of Wales and the Welsh Marches in 1601.
John Gunter, in 1557, left to his “baily John Colpes my second best coote and my black fries cote”. John Colpes was one of the witnesses of this will. Arthur Gunter, in 1578, left to his “servant John Colpys twentie shillings a yeare during his life”.Richard Lewkenor is mentioned in both wills.
Great information, Dave!
Gillian


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