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Mary West, daughter of Reginald, wife of Roger Lewkenor
Posted by: Gillian (ID *****1111) Date: January 05, 2011 at 09:02:01
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I am, at present, comparing various Lewkenor documents: Visitations, etc. with the Lewkenor Carpet of Arms, with some interesting results, which I shall post in due course.
I wanted to compare these results with entries made in the Lewkenor Book of Hours, which I mentioned in an earlier post and searched on the internet for the web page that I found via the Lambeth Palace Collections. It is no longer there; I am bitterly disappointed and can only hope that it is being re-catalogued and will be placed on-line again. I realize now that these entries contain information that will be of interest to the descendants of Elizabeth Lewkenor/Stoughton and those who join with my belief that Captain James Blount of Astley and Virginia was of Lewkenor descent.
Here are the notes that I made from the web page:
The Lewkenor Book of Hours is held in the Lambeth Palace Library, MS 545, information available on internet on “National Church Institutions Database of Manuscripts” (NO LONGER THERE). p.5 of 7: “Custodial History: Belonged to the Lewkenors of Sussex. Possibly the ‘oon prymer limned wit gold which was my fader’s’ mentioned in the will of Roger Lewkenor the Elder of Tangmere (d 1509) … He leaves the book to his son, Roger Lewkenor the Younger.”
Boxgrave. Burials:
p.1 1. Obitus d marie lewkenore quondam vx’ Rogeri lewkenore de Tratton’ militis in festo S.Cristine v. et m. viz xxiij die Julii a.d.m ccclxxiij et a regni regis Edwardi iij xiiij.
2. Of Roger Lewekenore, miltis d de Tratton’ 23 July S.Apollinaris day 1478,
3. Of Reginald L. filii dicti Rog.1492
4. Of Anne L. nuper ux.Rogeri L de Tangmere 28 Nov 1582 bur monist. de boxgraue.
Thoughts: Roger, buried in 1478 obviously fits with the 1478 will. He had at least two wives: Mary who d 1473 and Eleanor Camoys with a date of death that I have picked up of 1479. Eleanor’s burial is not mentioned in the Book of Hours. The pedigrees show that Roger and Eleanor had a son, Reginald.
The children of Roger, who must be another Roger are given in the lower part of the 2nd para on p.4:
1.       Ionhanna L. fil Rogeri L. nata ap.Burton, 1490
2.       Anna at Tangmer, 1493
3.       Clemens, ap Tangmere 1494
4.       Roger b at Tangmere 1495
5.       Edwardus (or Edmundus) (We know this to be Edmund of Fyning, father of the future Sir Richard, Chief Justice of Chester etc.) 1497
6.       Dorothea 1498
7.       Thomas 1499, d 1500
8.       Elizabeth Tangmere 1501
p.4 Births of the children of Edmund Lewkenor and Jane Tirrell: (although these identities are not given in the article):
Elizabeth Lewkenor fil.Edmundi L.Armigeri ap.Tangmere 2 Mar. 1538. I think that this is new information, as Elizabeth’s baptism pre-dates the beginning of the Tangmere register. This would be Elizabeth Lewkenor who married Thomas Stoughton.
This is the family of Edmund Lewkenor of Fyning and Jane Tirrell, and all other dates are as shown in the Tangmere parish records, including that of the future Richard, future Chief Justice of Chester.
The names of the heirs are shown on p.5:
1.       Thomas fil. Et heres Edmundi L. b at Tangmere (Thomas, son and heir of Edmund; in turn I have Edmund as the only surviving son, all the others being stubs.)
2.       Pro Rogero Lewkenor filio meo.
p.2 Hours of the Virgin, Memoriae in Lauds, includes Nicholas and Margaret. There was a Nicholas Lewkenor of Hadzor, will 1580, and his wife Margaret Neville. Nicholas was the brother of Jane Lewkenor, who married Anthony Sheldon of the Sheldon tapestry family. All RC. Casting my net wide here, with no supporting evidence.

Why all the burials at Boxgrave? Were they all related to the Wests? I think not. The old Tangmere church was replaced with the present one, not too long after Sir Richard, the Judge’s, will. Boxgrave Priory was only a short distance away. Is the Boxgrave factor the reason why it is suspected that Roger the Younger’s wife was a West/De la Warr? There is no sign of West recorded by Montague Knight on the Lewkenor memorial in West Dean church
Absolutely no mention of Thomas Lewkenor who employed the illustrator. All these names are descended from Thomas’s younger brother, Roger. Thomas did have a son, Roger (he of the carpet), but I cannot see him fitting into this jigsaw.

•       MY THOUGHTS in January 2011: p.1. “Obitus d marie lewkenore quondam vx’ Rogeri lewkenore de Tratton’ militis in festo S.Cristine v et m. viz xxiij die Julii a.d.m. cclxxiij et a regni regis Edwardi iij xiiij.”
Is this a Mary, wife of Roger Lewkenor of Trotton, buried 1473? Elinor Camoys, generally believed to be Roger Lewkenor’s first wife died in 1479. Therefore, this Mary is a previously unknown first wife of Roger Lewkenor. Could she be Mary West?
•       If the first wife of Roger of Trotton d 1473 was Mary West, then was she the mother of Sir Thomas Lewkenor of Trotton, 1444-1485, and the grandmother of Roger Lewkenor of Dedisham Park and Bodian Castle1465-1543 – Roger of the carpet of arms, which includes the arms of Lewkenor impaling West/DelaWarre?
•       If this lady died in 1473 and was succeeded by Elinor Camoys who died in 1479, then was Elinor Camoys the mother of Roger d 1509 of Tangmere and West Dean? This would explain the absence of West/DelaWarre arms from the Visitations and the coat of arms of Sir Richard Lewkenor and his grandson, Sir Christopher (on the internet in “Chawton House and its Owners”, available on the internet, courtesy of Sussex Record Society.)
•       In his 1509 will, Roger of Tangmere, grandfather of Sir Richard Lewkenor, Chief Justice of Chester, bequeathed “to Sir Thomas West knight a booke bounden and luymned wit gold wit certeyn prayers in the same, two rolles of certeyn prayers wit a crucifix of nedyll work that was the Cardynall Mortons. Item I bequeath to my Lady Weste a booke wit certeyn prayers in the same limned wit golden letters unbounden and a newe rolls of the vij Psalmes and the Leteny wit other prayers moo”.
•       “Pro Rogero Lewkenor filio meo”. Was this written by Roger Lewkenor 1419-`478 of Trotton to his son Roger (I am proposing by his second wife, Elinor Camoys), or was it written by Thomas Lewkenor of Trotton 1444-1485, to his son Sir Roger Lewkenor of Dedisham Park and Bodiam Castle 1465-1543? I think the former because the baptisms of Ionhanna L fil Rogeri L nata ap Burton, 1490, etc. refer to the children of Sir Roger of Tangmere, previously believed to be married to Mary West. His will, incidentally refers to a wife called Anne.
•       In 1509 “Sir Thomas West” would have been the future 5th Baron West of Oakhanger/10th Baron De la Warre. Tudorplace gives a marriage for Sir Thomas to Elizabeth Bonville some time before 24 August 1494. There were no children of this marriage and no date of death is supplied for Elizabeth. If still alive in 1509 she would presumably be “Lady West”. Thomas West, 4th Baron West of Oakhanger/9th Baron de la Warre, died in 1525, his father, the third baron having died in 1475. Therefore it would be the 4th baron who would have been baron in 1509, but his second and final wife, Elizabeth Mortimer, died in 1502. Therefore “Lady West” was not the wife of the baron. I find it curious that Roger bequeathed prayer books to both husband and wife. Was this Roger in the service of Sir Thomas West? He was a younger son; he lived in Tangmere, his burial is recorded in Tangmere records but we know that he was buried in the Priory Church of Boxgrove. Is Boxgrove Priory in Tangmere Parish? Roger asked that his “body be buried before our Lady of Pitie witin the churche of the Priory of Boxgrave”. It is believed that this altar was in the PAROCHIAL aisle of the priory church. Does this mean that he was not buried with the Wests?
•       The eldest son of Sir Thomas Lewkenor of Trotton d 1452, and Philippa Dallingridge would have been a suitable match for a daughter of Reginald West, 2nd Baron West of Oakhanger/7th Baron De la Warre. Tudorplace gives Mary as marrying Roger Lewkenor, son of Roger Lewknor and Isabel Echyngham. I believe this to be correct. Roger Lewkenor 1419-1478 refers to two wives who predeceased him. If Mary West was the first and Elinor Camoys the second, then there was no marriage by Roger to Isabel Echyngham and Isabel moves up to be one of the wives of Thomas d 1452, who was also married to Philippa Dallingridge
MY CONCLUSIONS: the missing Mary West, daughter of Reginald West, was the wife of a Roger Lewkenor, but Roger of Trotton. She was the grandmother of Roger Lewkenor of the carpet, which portrays the arms of Lewkenor impaling West/Delaware. She did not marry into the Tangemere, Fyning and West Dean family, whose coat of arms does not show West/Delaware. If right, then my proposal also sorts out the problem as to which Lewkenor Isabel Echyngham was married. And I cannot believe that Reginald West would have allowed the marriage of one of his daughters to a younger son of local gentry.
And if there is anyone out there - may I wish you a very happy New Year!

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