The family generation poem is a personal internal matter, only the elders of the village would know the date that the poem had been composed, both of us are not scholars and we have to be prepared to be proven wrong including myself and yourself and be humble to accept it if we are wrong. by the way have other shcolars suopported your assertion regarding family generation poem, if what you say is true,then all family generation of all clans would have been a later date, includign confuciius and mao tze tung family and other clan names, dear kevin i dont know whether you are being patronising or condescending but if theres an agenda to push the family generation poem , i woudl like to hear it on whether you have recieved confirmation from supportign scholars then mere speculation.As i had mentioned i have the pictue of the spirit tablets of my 12 ,11 and 0 th generation ,the 11 and 10 had used the third and fourth character name of the poem
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