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Re: information from knowledegable readers
Posted by: erwin lee (ID *****0531) Date: November 21, 2002 at 06:36:50
In Reply to: Re: information from knowledegable readers by Kevin Lee of 91

it is fu chen and there is an independent word synonymous with tsai xiang, and its not fu shen, as for the photo ,it shows three spirit tablets, with li fu chen in the center flanked by the spirit tablet ke ying on his right and spirit tablet si ma on his left, as for the tombstone, it was jin wu jiang jun fu chen li gong .when i say guan ming, i am saying that the name fu chen was adopted either by my ancestor or was conferred the name fu chen, for example in the qing dynasty, there was a title called fu guo gung but this was reserved for the qing imperial family members,and th echarcter fu had been used on high officials in ealrier dynasties
As for the reason why the first and second generation had other names like yi ran under the first character shao and fu chen under the charcater yuan,i want to say that i dont have the pic of the tomestone of my first ancestor from the poem therefore i do not know whther he had used yi ran or shao in the tomstone,but as for fu chen his tombstone had not shown the charcayer yuan but as i said before in the sung dynasty bao qing tian was known as bao zhen and i beleive his tomestone had shown the characters bao zhen instead of bao qing tian and liu bo wen aka known as zi liu qi the adviser to the first an emperor of the Ming
i believe his tombstone had used the hcarcter liu ji instead of liu bowen, so unless you can get an expert to dispute what i say,otherwise the usage of names need not necessarily have the generation name on the tomstone but rather the guan ming ,i hope it anser your question, asfor his rank jin wu jiang jun, i beleive it was ranked 2A2 in the military grading system which would be considered a prominent position, therfore as the right hand man of the governor general, he would have been a minister equivalent ran therfore the se of the word chen as in minsier or official

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