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Ludwig Lightner - Pennsylvania to Ohio in the 1820's
Posted by: p sue barr (ID *****7566) Date: July 04, 2008 at 14:07:22
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Still looking for any information on this person. There seems to be confusion, so this is what I have. He was born and baptized in Cumberland county in 1765, the oldest of 6 sons born to Mathias and Eva Lightner (just one daughter was born but died young and is buried with her parents in the old Power graveyard in Cumberland/Perry county, Pa - this according to a biography of them in the 1886 History of the Susquehanna and Juniata Valleys of Pennsylvania).

Ludwig was always entered as Ludwick in the censuses (with one exception when he went by the nickname Loudy) which tells me that he said his name with quite a german accent still - the final 'g' pronounced hard 'ck'. As his father was born in Germany, he probably spoke german in the home and Loudy probably spoke english with quite a heavy accent.

They were in Cumberland county, Pa by 1765 given the recorded dates of both Ludwig's and brother Adam's baptisms, so father Mathias obviously emigrated from Germany sometime 1865.

By the 1800 Middleton, Cumberland, Pa census, Ludwick Lightner is married and he and his wife are both listed as aged 26-44. They have 2 children only, both daughters and under the age of 10, so presumably Ludwick and wife married sometime between 1790 and 1800.

By the 1810 Dickenson, Cumberland, Pa census (as Loudy Lightner), Ludwick and wife have 2 boys under 10 (born 1800 - 1810) and 4 girls under 10 (either the first 2 girls born are out working on another farm, married, or have died). In any case, 6 children born between 1800 and 1810 now live in the household, 2 boys and 4 girls.

By the 1820 Dickenson, Cumberland, Pa census (back as Ludwick), they still have just the 2 boys (one aged 10-16 and one aged 16-18. Note: in this census, boys could be counted twice as they were also marked down if they were also of military age. In this case, the older son of 16-18 was counted twice (once in the 16-26 bracket). They now have their 4 daughters from the 1810 census plus a girl born between 1810 and 1820, so 5 daughters in all. They have no more children (at least who lived past age 10) after this. So, by 1820, they had 2 sons (the younger born 1804-1809 and the older born 1802 - 1804) and 5 daughters (the youngest born 1810-1820, 2 born 1804-1810, and 2 born 1800-1804).

Sometime in the 1820's, they move (along with Ludwig's younger brother Michael Lightner & his family) to Harrison county, Ohio. Ludwick/Ludwig and family can be found in the 1830 Cadiz, Harrison county, Ohio census with just one son at home (now aged 20-30) and a male aged 30-40 (who could be the older son who could have been born in 1800 after the 1800 census was born or someone else - I suspect this is the older son) and 2 of their 5 daughters (their youngest child now aged 15-20 and one of the other girls aged 20-30). Presumably some of the older daughters are now married and either stayed in Pa or came to Ohio.

Ludwig is not in the 1840 census, so it is presumed he died sometime from 1830 - 1840. No one knows for sure as there is no record of his death, no obituary and no gravesite discovered as of yet. The same goes for his wife for whom we do not have a name.

Many people have wanted to give Ludwig a son named Allen, born about 1809, but this Allen had (at least) 2 younger brothers (George and James, born abt 1814 and 1817 as well as a younger sister Ellen). Ludwig had no boys born after 1810. Allen Lightner and brother James (born abt 1817) married sisters Elizabeth and Anne Wilson who were both born in Virginia, no info on brother George marrying (born abt 1814) and sister Ellen (born abt 1818) married John Ruth. It is thought that these four children were the childrn of Allen Lightner who was born abt 1779 in either Virginia or Pennsylvania (or both if Washington county, as this territory was claimed by both states). It is thought that this Allen Sr. married Susan Shook. She must have died as his 2nd (and final) wife is named Mary (nickname Polly)who is a good 30 years younger than Allen Sr. They started having children in 1829, so presumably got married about 1828. The children from the first marriage (all of whom say they were born in Pennsylvania) moved to Marshall county, Virginia (now West Virginia), the eldest Allen by 1830 at the latest as his eldest child Solomon was born in Virginia abt 1830. Allen's siblings George and James followed him, moving to the same Virginia county, but James and wife Anne Wilson eventually moved to Ohio by 1860 and can be found in the 1860 Belmont, Ohio census.

Allen Sr., who remarried about 1828 and who had also moved to Ohio sometime in the 1820's (and to Stock, Harrison county and can be found in the censuses there) raised another family of 10 children with his 2nd wife (in order of birth: William Henry, Sarah Ann, Cornelius Richard, Mary Jane, Susan Ann, Mathew, Naomi, Garrett P., Maria, and Julia (Jula was born and died before 1850). All the children, with the exception of Garrett and Maria who were born in Kentucky, were born in Ohio. So Allen Lightner Sr. was in Ohio no earlier than 1818 (when last child from frist marriage was born in Pennsylvania and moved from Ohio to Kentucky no later than 1844 when Garrett from the 2nd marriage was born in Kentucky. Some of the known spouses of Allen Sr's children from his 2nd marriage are: Oliver Burch (married Maria Lightner in 1869 in Kentucky), Hartwell Nunley(married Susan Ann Lightner in 1860 in Kentucky), Cornelius Richard Lightner (married Susan Hensely in 1857 in Kentucky, then Keziah Bryant in 1865 in Kentucky, and possible 1 or 2 others), Mathew Lightner (married Rachel Sipple in 1862 in Kentucky), and Naomi Lightner (married Lewis Hensley in 1870 in Lawrence county, Ohio). Garret P. Lightner was killed in 1864 in the civil war. Daughters Julia and Mary Jane died young (Mary J. at age 17).

Some of the children from Allen Lightner's two marriages also named their own children Allen, after their father.

Mathias and Eva Lightner's 6 son's and their descendants had no children named Allen.

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