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Fred E. Loder here. I have posted a forum response on this family. I have some information on the family from deeds in Trenton archives, including the guardian arrangement for the minor children with their uncle William Loder, when their father, James, died intestate in 1792 Also some from Job's family in Ontario. Job's only, older brother John, was my great-great-grandfather. He moved from NJ to Pittsburg area about 1800 and to Coshocton OH about 1820. Two boys, eight girls, maybe two mothers? The grandfather of John and Job and the daughters was John Loder, traditionaly the immigrant ancestor, some tradition says that his wife was named Johanna, nln. Most of the responses for your post relate to this family but I think the message about Jane Loder from Cumblerland Co. is a south Jersey family which doesn't relate to this line. Fred.