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Re: Historical-Genetic Link Between Loya of TX. and N.Y.
Posted by: Alex Loya (ID *****0220) Date: August 27, 2003 at 20:35:41
In Reply to: Historical-Genetic Link Between Loya of TX. and N.Y. by Alex Loya of 544

This is an addendum to my previous posting on the historical-genetic link between the Loya of Texas and the Loya of New York State. There is a bit of information which I forgot to consider in my previous posting which is very important in establishing the historical link between the two branches of the Loya clan. In one of the postings from one of you Loyas from New York, you mentioned in passing how that perhaps one of the Loyas marrying a Roman Catholic had been an issue. From this statement I assume the Loya from New York are not Roman Catholic. This bit of information is very important because whether Italian, French, Spaniard or Basque, being a non Roman Catholic is significant. There is history in the areas of Italy that the Loya are originally from that would be a very strong indication as to where and when the Loya clan was split. This history, of course, like the history I shared in this posting concerning the link, would also establish a genetic-historical link. The Loya, as I have shared with you, originated in Tuscany, from there our ancestors migrated to two other areas in Italy, the island of Sardinia and the province of Liguria. Sardinia, Tuscany, Liguria, France and Spain are areas that, historically, have been linked together. These areas were politically linked together at times, unified by the threat of a common enemy, the Muslims. It is no coincidence that the Loya clan is scattered through these exact areas which have been tied together through history. Now, the area of Liguria has been an area of dispute between Italy and France just as Navarre has been an area of dispute between Spain and France. Historically, for example, the Kingdom of Sardinia consisted of Liguria and Sardinia and was ruled by the House of Savoy (Savoia, Savoya). The House of Savoy was from the area of Savoy, Piedmont, Provence etc. all neighboring areas of France and Italy. In other words, not only have Sardinia and Liguria been politically ruled by the same house, but also the areas of Piedmont, Provence, Savoy etc. The interesting thing is that In the area which is adjacent to Liguria, in France, there developed groups of Roman Catholics who swere evangelical in their beliefs. They were called the Waldensians. The Waldensians were mainly established in the border areas between France and Italy and also in the are of the tip of the "boot" of Italy. These Waldensians were pre-Reformers and by the time of the Reformation they parted ways completely from the Roman Catholic Church joining the ranks of the Reformation Churches. It was one thing for those Germans and British to separate from the Roman Catholic Church, but it was a different thing altogether from Ligurians (Italians) and Provencals (French) to become "Protestant". Consequently, the pope's armies and simpathizers slaughtered out of existence the Waldensians from Southern Italy, and slaughtered into exile the Waldensians from the French/Italian border area. Almost extinguished out of existence, the Waldensians from the French/Italy border area were scattered. In fact, the area of Savoy, Piedmont etc. became a bridge for people from Sardinia and Liguria to flee to Navarre. The descendants of the Waldensians from the French/Italian border area who survived the slaughter in small numbers would today be counted among, mainly, the Presbyterians and Reformed Churches. Considering the statement form one of the Loya from New York that it was an issue for a Loya to marry a Roman Catholic, and considering that whether Italian, French, Spaniard or Basque being a non Roman Catholic would be rare and siginificant, it seems to me that not only is the split of the Loya clan seen in the spliting of Navarre between France and Spain, but in the persecution of the rare Protestant Franco/Italians known in history as the Waldensians. Again, the Waldensians are from the same area as the Loya, Liguria/Savoy/Piedmont, and the Loya from that area came from the Loya in Sardinia and Tuscany, from which the Loya in Navarre come from. Either way, it is one and the same clan, both splits are historically true and would accurately establish a historical-genetic link between the Loya of Chihuahua/Texas and Quebec/New York.

I will be back with more details, as I said before. I believe I will post all the historical information in these various messages in one message, and that way you all can have a copy of a synopsis of my book "Storia Della Famiglia Loia/Loya". By the way, I am Baptist and was culturally a Methodist before I became a born-again Christian.

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