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Re: Origin of Loya conclusion, map and pic of Loya place of origin in France
Posted by: Alex Loya (ID *****0220) Date: February 15, 2006 at 20:41:49
In Reply to: Re: Origin of Loya, research conclusion, further information by Patrick Murray of 543

Hi Patrick, sorry I took so long to respond. The title of my book was originally "The Continuous Presence of Italians and Spaniards in Texas as Early as 1520 (Including the Participation and Consequence of Texas and Louisiana in the American Revolution)" After going over all my research and talking to a major scholar and historian, I decided to revise the title and change it to "The Continuous Presence of Italic Frenchmen..." to be more historically accurate. The difference between an Italian French name and an Italic French name is that the Italian French name originated in Italy in relatively recent times and is not rooted in France as a local name, an Italic French name, on the other hand, also originated in Italy but a long time ago, it could be a thousand years, and it is established as a local French name, in our case, our name is established as both a local French name and a local French place name. Our name is French, of Italic background. I am presently finishing the revision.

Although I focus on the Texas Loya, I have a lot of information that would be of value to all Loya kinsmen, it should be in your library. It is around 600 pages long w/pictures... there really is some fascinating information that you and your children should know.

Anyway, here is a link to a map were you can see where our ancestors came from in France in relation to Spain which will without words clearly explain how some of us Loya kinsmen remained French and in New York and Vermont, and how some of us came with the Spaniards to Texas and became if not hispanic certainly hispanicized. Here is the link:

http://www.touradour.com/towns/hendaye/hendmap.htm

Here is a photograph where you can see the Baie de Loya, the Loya Bay in France in the foreground, I believe the beach is Loya beach, then as you look towards the background you can see Hendaye, the last city in France before the Spanish border, and then the Bidassoa River which is the border river between France and Spain, and finally you can see Spain behind the river in the background. You can see the Castle of Abbaddie on Loya. Here is the link:

http://www.les-acacias.com/

This is where our ancestors came from to America, both to New York State and Vermont and across the border in Quebec, and to Texas and across the border in Chihuahua in Northern Mexico, to where they went from Texas having arrived thorugh the coast of Texas. In my research I found the record of when Juan de Loya, the patriarch of the Texas and Chihuahua Loya, whose nonhispanicized name was Jean Loya, arrived to Spain by boat in the year 1526, having jumped off the boat at his arrival to Spain before registering the boat for which he got in trouble with the judge and which is the reason we can now know about him. Later, after bringing his family to Spain, they migrated to Hispaniola in 1535 and then moved on to Texas circa 1563. It appears that it was at this point that our branches were separated, and it appears that he did not just go across the Bidassoa River into Spain, but, rather, he took a boat from here and went around Spain and Portugal to the port of Cadiz to settle in Seville before coming to America, although some Loya, like Blas de Loya y Gaztelu's family, did cross the Bidassoa into Spain and Navarre. I also found the record of Pierre Loya who migrated from France, certainly originating from this place, to Acadia as a French Acadian in 1772. It might be from here as well that they went to other countries since the Loya have been established here and the name has been established here for so long as a local French name and a local French place name. I hope that seeing with your own eyes the map of the place where we come from in France, and the photograph, will be a blessing to you as it is to me.


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