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Re: loya family origin
Posted by: Alex Loya (ID *****0220) Date: August 14, 2008 at 08:03:19
In Reply to: loya family origin by MOTI LOYA of 544

Hello Moti, thanks for sharing your information. I have been aware of the Jewish branch of the Loya family and that there is a branch in Israel. You have shared a couple of things that are very important:

1. You have shed light on the mystery of the Loya families of Yugoslavia, Greece Hungary and those areas, it may very well be that even those among them who are Eastern Orthodox Christians are converted Jews, up to now I had ascribed some of their origin to the Acadian Exile, which could also have influenced if they are not converted Jews and rather converted Catholics. It is expected that in earlier days the Jews from Greece, Yugoslavia etc. were expelled from Spain, as you surely know, so were many of the Russian Jews and German Jews who are now called Ashkenazi, since Spain, or Tarshish, was the furthest end of the world where the Romans expelled the Jews from Israel in 70 A.D.

2. In the email you sent me you sent some vital information that clearly connects your research and mine and that testifies to the antiquity of our surname. You mentioned in your email that the Jews used to call the head of pilars in ancient Roman and Greek temples "Loya" in Hebrew. I find that fascinating! The reason I find it fascinating, other than it is fascinating in and of itself, is because the common feature in the locations that are called Loya, which are in France not Spain, unless there is a small Loya in Navarre which I have not yet found but which still has its origin in France since Navarre was all French until 1512 A.D. and the part of Navarre that became Spanish did not become fully a part of Spain till 1839, the common geographical feature is, or are huge rocks, and, of course, Greek and Roman pillars are made of rock. That the Jews called the top of a Greek or Roman pillar "Loya", as the heights of huge rocks in France are called, is decidedly a link, and a link that supports the postulation of the Etruscan origin of Loya, since Etruscans, who originated in Italy, settled and France, and so did Greeks and Romans after them in the area of the Mont de la Loya.

Because Loya is the ancient name of geographical features in France, classified as a fossil word due to its antiquity as the name of those geograhical features, we know that that is the original meaning, Loya denotes huge, majestic rock formations, and, as I said, the fact that the Jews so called the head of Roman and Greek pillars in their temples strongly supports this meaning, since, again, pilars were carved or constructed from rocks, huge rocks like the Loya rocks of France. Because these huge rock formations are so old and so there, every other meaning for Loya is secondary to it. Loya Jirga, in the language of Afghanistan, has a meaning derived from the majestic nature of the great rocks, as it means great assembly, and is related to Loggia which was a gathering place made of rock often at the top of towers in Italy. The Loya River in Africa is certainly a remnant of French colonialism due to either its turbid waters as in the Baie de Loya, or due to giant rock formations, Loya in the Valley of the Yosemite is a 3000 foot high rock mysterioulsy so called which Bunnel guessed it may come from the Spanish olla, but which it decidedly reveals the discovery of the Yosemite Valley by Frenchmen before he did, since not only is the huge rock called Loya, but the area around is uncanny similar to the area of both the Baie de Loya and the Mont de la Loya in the Pyrenees and the Alps in France.

The "Spanish" Loya originated in France. The Garcia Carraffa Genealogical Encyclopedia, which is the source of all sources that you see, states the Loya comes from the place of Loya in Navarre from which the family took its name. The Garcia Carraffa brother did an awesome work in defining over 40 thousand names, but given the amount of names they had to define, it gave them only about one third of one day to research each name in the years it took them to compile their exhaustive encyclopedia. Their encyclopedia did not consider that Loya does not appear in Navarre's Old Book of Heraldry and neither does its coat of arms, which is legitimate, which dates to the 16th century and would have told them that the Loya family is not native to Navarre, and they did not mention or consider that Navarre was all French until 1512 A.D. and the part of Navarre that became Spanish did not fully do so till 1839 A.D. Rather, it appears they based their conclusion on the fact that Blas de Loya y Gastelu, the nobleman and Knight of the Order of Santiago they mention in their page regarding the origin of Loya, was from Navarre. yet Blas de Loya y Gastelu's name pinpoints his origin and the origin of the family he heads, since both Loya and Gastelu, which is a French fort, are within the city limits of one city in France, Hendaye, and within three miles of each other, and Loya is two miles from Spain, and Gastelu is just a few yards on the French side of the Bidassoa River which is the border river between France and Spain, these facts identify the place of origin, and although there is a city or town called Gastelu in Giapuzkoa, Loya and Gastelu, the French fort, exist in the above mentioned circumstance pinpointing the origin of the Loya family.

The Loya family that was established in Spain came from Loya in France, just two miles from Spain. The Loya family of both Quebec/New York and Texas/Chihuahua, came from the Baie de Loya to French Acadia and was scattered through the Acadian Exile of 1755, those from Texas/Chihuahua having come through Louisiana where the Acadians were exiled and are known as Cajuns at a time when both Texas and Louisiana were colonies of Spain, although there was one individual called Loya in Parral in 1632, coinciding with the first exile of French Acadia and the re-establishing of French Acadia by Jacques Loya in exactly the year 1632. The evidence shows strongly that the Loya individual who went to Parral at that time in 1632, had been exiled from French Acadia and went back to France to then cross over to Spain and migrate to New Spain. The Loya immigrants of 1535, Juan de Loya and Bernardo de Loya, came from the Baie de Loya in France and entered Spain illegally by jumping off the boat and swimming to Spain. The documentation shows they came to Hispaniola and then returned to Spain.

There is no doubt that the Jewish branch took its name from the same place as the Gentile Loya's, from the Baie de Loya and the area of the Fort of Gastelu in Labourd, France, adjacent to Navarre, within the city limits of Hendaye, France and two miles from Spain. The breaking up of Loya into the Hebrew Lo + Ya, as you know, can mean either believer in God or not God, a fool who denies God, but, again, because the ancient and huge rock formations of the Baie de Loya and the Mont de la Loya are so ancient and their name so old so as to be classified as a fossil word, and the Hebrew denotation of the rock top of rock Greek and Roman columns agrees with what the Baie de Loya and Mont de la Loya are, the breaking up of the name is a "playing" with words, not a solid meaning as that of the huge, majestic and ancient rocks of the Baie and Mont de la Loya.

I hope this helps.

I will come back when I finish updating my book and make it available.


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