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Thanks Wesley, This could easily be my link. I believe Harry had a brother, name?, married to Elizabeth's sister, Nellie. Harry married Elizabeth Carver (DOB?1860s, died aged 84). Their daughter was Ethel Sapphire (?Sophia) Ludbrook (my grandmother). Other offspring were Ernie, Tom, Sid and Bertie? At the begining of this century they lived at Blackheath, Wenhaston, Nr Halesworth, I would appreciate any more information. Chris