Re: Ann Madison m John Stodgill
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Ann Madison m John Stodgill
Steve Williamson 5/14/02
Regarding the precise date of the marriage of John and Isabella and the number of children I offer the following:
TIMELINE FOR MADISONS
• 4 January 1653 John Madison patented 600 acres in Gloucester Co.[Note this date is take from a photocopy of the original rather than the abstract found in Nugent that has another date]
• 1654 Formation of New Kent County, Virginia from York County, Virginia.
• 28 August 1657 John Madison patented 800 acres in New Kent County; 80 acres on Ewd side of Mundins (?) Creek of the Matapony 600 of which was his own 600 acres: 300 acres New Kent on N.E. side of Mattapany & N. E. side of Whorecock Sw[amp].
• 24 February 1659 John Mattison and wife Mary sold the 600 acres of land he patented in 1653.This is the only record that gives the name of John1’s wife.
• 4 July 1664 300 acres in New Kent county.: 1050 acres in New Kent Co. John Pigg and John Maddison.
• 19 October 1666 350 acres in New Kent Co.
• 29 November 1680 Henry Madison sold 415 acres of the Pigg/Madison patent granted 4 July 1664, to Nicholas Ware. This date is derived from a record executed by Edward Ware in 1723. It states John Madison was father to said Henry Madison. The implication is that Henry was an adult, old enough to dispose of land in 1680 and that his father, John was deceased.
• 22 September 1682 John Maddison referred to as deceased in a patent granted Mr. Robert Chamberlaine.
• 1691 Formation of King and Queen County from New Kent County.
• 1702 Formation of King William County from King and Queen County.
• 11 April 1702 Henry Maddison appointed Justice of the newly formed King William County.
• 20 August 1703 Richard Littlepage sold Henry Madison? Acres of land where the said Madison seated a quarter with the County of King William in St. John’s parish. In a deed between John William and Richard Littlepage, Mr. Henry Maddison now plantation is in the description. In another deed it is called Madison’s New Plantation.
• 20 January 1705 John Madison of St. Stephen’s Parish in King and Queen Co. sold 300 acres in King William County on the Branches of Lower Herring Creek.
• 21 January 1705 Isabella Madison, wife of John Madison of St. Stephen’s Parish in King and Queen County …impowere my trusty Friend, Henry Madison to appear for me at the court in King William to relinquish her dower thirds in the 300 acres of land sold by said Husband to George Purchase. The witnesses to this were Edward Eastham and John Madison, Junr. NOTE: This John Junr. Has previously been assigned by researchers as a son of John and Isabella. However, based on other life events for their son John, it is more likely he was a son of John’s brother, Henry Madison.
• 26 April 1707 John Maddison appointed to the Commission of Peace for King and Queen County.
• 15 April 1715 John Madison appointed sheriff of King and Queen County.
• 25 April 1715 Thomas Maddison appointed sheriff of King and Queen County.
• 1 April 1717 John Madison, John Rogers, Peter Rogers, Henry Pigg, Edward Pigg & John York 1860 acres of new land in a fork of the Mattapony River, about 16 miles above the inhabitants in King and Queen Counties and 2 miles above the stones or falls of the river.
• 20 February 1719 John Madison, Junr of King and Queen Co. 400 acres of new land in King William County.
• 11 July 1719 Thomas Madison Patented 330 acres of new land in King William County in St. John’s parish.
• 6 May 1721 Ambrose Madison of King and Queen and Thomas Chew of Spotsylvania Co. Patented 4675 acres of new land in Spottsylvania County.
• 24 August 1721 Ambrose Madison wed Frances Taylor.
• 27 March 1723 Birth of James Madison Senr. Another account of these events name Thomas Madison as James’ godfather.
• 4 Mar 1725 John Madison, Gent of King and Queen Co; 2150 acres old and new land in King William Co…. between John Madison dec’d father of aforesaid John and Daniel Colemantaken up 16 June 1714.
• 1725-26 The account book of Ambrose Madison printed in The Virginia Genealogist shows Captain John Madison, Mrs. Issabell [sic] Madison, John and Thomas Madison. NOTE: This shows Isabella the wife of John was living in 1725.
• 1728 Formation of Caroline County from Essex, King and Queen and King William Counties.
• 28 September 1728 John Madison of King and Queen County patented 1000 acres.
• 28 September 1728 James Madison patented 1000 acres also.
• 28 September 1728 Henry Madison of King and Queen County patented 1000 acres.
• 23 October 1728 the Governor appointed the Justices for the new counties of Caroline and Goochland. Among those for Caroline was Ambrose Madison.
NOTE: This flurry of activity to patent land by members of the Madison family may have precipitated the action before the council on the part of William Todd; or it is possible that they knew this issue was coming and this was ahedge against the pending action. Note the complainant was named William Todd. He should be explored more fully as a possible half sibling of the Madison’s.
• 24 October 1728 recorded in the Executive Journals of the Council of Colonial Virginia. On reading at this Board the petition of William Todd of the County of King & Queen Gen. complaining that James Taylor Surveyor of the County of Spotsylvania being employed to divide a certain tract of land taken up in the said County by the pet. John Battalie and John Taliaferro, and of which the said Taylor on his earnest importunity, was admitted to have a quarter part, hath fraudulently and in breach of the trust reposed in him, and the duty of his office, included within the bounds laid off for himself, above two thousand acres more than his just share, and in that part which he the said Taylor return’d for Mr. Battaile’s share, and which the petr has since purchased of the said Battaile, there is upwards of two thousand acres wanting, for which the petr is now liable to pay Quit Rents, besides the injury of losing so much land which he had paid for:And further representing that he has frequently applied to the said Taylor to do him right, but that he pretends to have transferred his part to two of his sons in Law Ambrose Maddison and Thomas Chew, who will not now suffer him to survey their land, and praying relief therein; It is ordered that the said James Taylor, Ambrose Maddison and Thomas Chew do attend this Board at the next Court of Oyer and Terminer in order to a hearing of the matter suggested in the said petition.
• 11 Dec 1728.On hearing this day at the Board the petition of William Todd of the county of King & Queen Gent Agt James Taylor surveyor of the County of Spotsylvania and Ambrose Maddison and Thomas Chew assignees of the said Taylor touching the fraudulent surveying & obtaining a patent for a certain Tract of land divided between the petr and the said Taylor, and on hearing the arguments of the Council in behalf of the several parties, it is by their consent ordered and directed the Mr Robert Brooke Surveyor of the Counties of Essex and Caroline do, as soon as conveniently may be at the charge of the party who shall be found in the wrong, survey the whole tract of land formerly entered for by William Todd, John Taliaferro & John Battaile...
• 11 June 1729On hearing this day at the Board the matter in dispute between William Todd of the County of King & Queen Gent of the one part, and James Taylor, Ambrose Maddison and Thomas Chew touching the fraudulent surveying & dividing a certain Tract of land between the parties, & upon considering the report of Robert Brooke Surveyor of Essex County, appointed for laying out the same Tract of land, It is the opinion of this Board that the line run by Collo Taylor, and now mark’d by the said Robert Brooke in his survey, and described in his plat by the letters S. C. is and ought to be the true dividing bounds between the said William Todd and the land of the said Maddison and Chew, and that the said William Todd upon surrendring of him former patent which he accordingly surrendred up at the Board have a patent for the true quantity of land in his dividend, according to the lines described in the said Robert Brooke’s plan by the letters s, c. v. r. and it is further ordered that the said Madison and Chew upon surrender of their former patent have like liberty of taking a new one for the true quanity, and according to the true and exact bounds said Robert Brooke; and that the charge of the survey made by the said Robert Brooke pursuant to the orders of this Board be paid equally, that is to say the said William Todd on moiety, and said Ambrose Maddison and Thomas Chew the other moiety thereof....
• 31 July 1732 Ambrose Madison wrote and signed his will.
• 14 June 1733 Thomas Madison served on jury.
• 11 July 1734/35 Captain John Madison of King and Queen Countyhad a runaway slave. Taken up in Caroline County.
• 14 March 1734/5 First appearance of Roger Madison in Caroline County.
• 11 May 1739 Thomas Madison order surveyor of the roads from the south river Bridge to the Chapel.
• 17 September 1740 Birth of Isabella Madison.
• 9 April 1742 John Madison served on a jury, Caroline County.
• 9 September 1743 John Madison called Gentleman Justice, Caroline County.
• 1744 Birth of Henry Madison, son of Henry sometime during this year.
• 8 March 1744/45 Agatha Madison wife of John Madison Gent. Acknowledged her right to land her husband sold in Caroline County.
• 13 June 1746 William Madison appeared in the records in Caroline County.
• 10 November 1749 Humphrey Madison witnessed a deed in Caroline County.
• 14 June 1753 Roger Madison and Elizabeth his wife acknowledge their deeds of lease and release indented to Robert Taliaferro Gent. In Caroline County.
• 10 July 1755 An inventory of the estate of Thomas Madison in Caroline County.
• August 1757 Isabell Madison, daughter of Henry, chooses Tsnchner deGraffenreid her guardian. Her brother Henry choose Roger Madison.
NOTE: This was prepared for a client with an emphasis on the children of Henry, the son of John and Isabella.
There were five males who were contemporaies and presumed to be sons of John and Isabelle. They were John, Ambrose, Thomas, Roger and Henry.The couple had a least two daughters. One daughter married a Camp. The will of Roger Madison of Halifax Co. VA calls George Camp nephew. George named a daughter Isabelle, as his estate papers prove.
Ambrose Madison named Daniel Stogill in his will. It is thought that Daniel was deeded this land because he seated it as a care taker for one of Ambrose’ daughters.
LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT AMBROSE MADISON
Ambrose the grandfather of President James Madison signed his will in July 1732. It reads as follows:
John Frederick Dorman, Editor, The Virginia Genealogists, Volume 26 Number 4 October –December 1982. Pp. 286-287. Ann Miller, transcriber, “Last Will and Testament of Ambrose Madison”
In The Name of God Amen. I Ambrose Madison of the parish of St. Mark in the county of Spotsylvania, being of Sound Mind and perfect Memory, do make this my last will and Testament in Manner and form following: Imprimis, I recommend my pretious and immortal into the hands of my great Creator, and blessed Redemer, and my body to the Earth to be decently intered at the discretion of my temporoll estate with which it has pleased god to bless me, I give and bequeath (Viz) Item I give and bequeath unto James Coleman and his wife Elender Six hundred acres of land (according to Survay Made by the same more or less,) adjoyning to the sd: Colemans plantation at the litle Mountains, to him and his wife dureing their naturall lifes, and from and after their decease to the heirs of the body of the sd: Elender, lawfully begotten, or to be begotten, and for want of such ishue to return [to?] my heirs – Item I give and bequeath unto Francis []mes two hundred acres of land [accord?]ing as its laid of adjoyning to his plantation at the great Mountains to him his heirs for Ever:- Item I give and bequeath unto Danell Stoghill one hundred and fifty acres of land beginning at a red oak standing in David William’s and Abraham Estridge’s line, running along the sd: Abraham’s line, so far as to lay of the sd: land square to him and his heirs for ever. Item I give and bequeath unto David Roach one hundred and fifty acres of land, to be laid of some part of my land which I have in company with George Braxton Gentlen: and others, According to the discretion of my Executors hearin after named, to him and his heirs for Ever. Item give and bequeath unto my daughter Elizabeth one thousand acres of land adjoyning to the above mentioned land of James Coleman to begin at my uper line, and So r[un] down to the lower line, and also one Thousand acres of land at the Great Mountains lying be[ing the] land [Now] belonging to John Cam[m] Gentlen: and my son James to her and her heirs [forever. I give and bequeath unto] my daughter Frances one thousand acres of land adjoyning to her sister Elizabeth at the litle Mountains and also one thousand acres of land at the Great Mountains, lyeing between the land of my son James on the one sd, and land of Abraham Estridges of the other side to her and her heirs for Ever: Item I give and bequeath unto my son James, all other my lands whatsoever that I am possessed of to him and his heirs for Ever, and that posses the same when he shall arrive to Eighteen years of age: Item I lend unto my Dear and well beloved wife Francis, all and Singular my reall and parsonall estate not before bequeathed for and Dureing the time she shall continue a widow, or untill one of my Children shall marry, at either of which times the hole of the Estate that I have lent to my wife shall be Devided as the law Directs: Item I do hereby Constitute and Opoint my loveing wife, my Brother John Madison Mr. Francis Conway and Joseph Brock Executors and Executrix of this my last will and Testament, and do hereby revoke and Make void all other wills by me heartofore mad in testamoney whereof I have hearunto Set my hand and fix,d my Seal this 31st day of July 1732.
Ambrose Madison [Seal]
Signed Sealld: published and declared in the presents of us being Interlined in the Sixth line the word (wife) and in the Eight line the word (him)
James Barbour
Robt Martin
George Penn
[The recorded copy shows:]
[At a Co]urt held for Spotsylvania County On Tuesday Febru[]h 1732/3
This will being Exhibited & Sworn to per Frances Madison one of the Executrixs within named was proved per the oaths of James Barbour & George Penn and admitted to record.
[In the 1899-printed version the probate date is shown as 6 Feb. 1732/3.]
One of the facts that make a definitive list of children for John2 and Isabella is the fact that John2 had a brother Henry2 who may have had children. This matter is yet to be addressed in the Madison literature. I believe that several men of the same name have resulted in fused identities and the result was a confused time line for the whole family. When the known facts are pieced together one at a time it would appear that the first two sons of Isabella and John were Thomas and Ambrose. There is a list of children for Thomas that is part of correspondence in the papers of the late George H. S. King that shows births beginning in 1719 a few years before Ambrose’s children. This suggests births in the 1690ies for these men. Roger appears to be the youngest son. His age is determined by the information on his wife Elizabeth Taliaferro. Also supporting this is the marriage dates of his daughters. Roger had one son, Ambrose. John died sometime before 1725 but wife Isabelle lived another 10 or more years according to store account books.
If pressed I would have to assign at least seven children for the couple. Five sons and two daughters. I think there may be more. Henry, John and Ambrose all have direct statements of their relationship in either the will of Ambrose or the deeds of land to his daughters where they are called niece. The others are indirect in nature. Roger becomes the guardian of Henry when his father, Henry dies. He names his only son Ambrose and calls George Camp nephew. Thomas was a godfather for James Madison the father of the president and he used both Ambrose and Roger for the names of sons.
I have no knowledge of the marriage of John Stodgill to an Ann Madison ca 1694. If the date is correct, then I doubt she was a child of the union of John Madison and Isabella. You are correct in stating there is a chronological problem here.
The time line above is completely footnoted but lost the notes in the cut and paste process. Margaret Amundson, CG
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Re: Ann Madison m John Stodgill