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Posted by: Sharon Marsalis (ID *****6903) Date: September 09, 2011 at 07:34:34
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The next 3 posts will be valuable information that has come my way totally unexpectedly buut with much gratitude from "Terry" and the Vanderhoof family project Terry has been in direct contact with researchers in the Netherlands and has been to Beesd more than once:

Terry is a researcher and historian for his lines and has sent some invaluable information to me. Terry is directly related to Jan Cornelis who married into Pieter's Marselis' line.


http://www.vanderhoofproject.com/


is his fabulous family site. Please visit it. The ship De Bever on which Pieter Marselis/Marcelis came over to New Amsterdam is a special interest there with new information coming to light on its voyages and passengers.


I will post separately a long list of names in land transactions that pertain to Pieter Marselis van Beesd.

First some of Terry's statements to me from emails and posted with his permission:


"the land transactions I mentioned. These are taken from the 'Rechterlijk Archief Beest en Rhenoij' the records of the court of schepen (Alderman)

Mostly these are land transactions which were witnessed at the court by at least two schepen. The names of the parties are listed at the top of each page and are called 'loofsignaten' in Dutch (literally
leaf-signatures) Unfortunately the documents themselves haven't been copied or transcribed which is a shame because there is sometimes a lot of detail - neighbours, area and value of land, location of the land etc.

There are several books and only Books(Boek) 196-203 are listed here. Blz means 'page' People on the same page were parties to a particular transaction."


"Also a smaller file with all the refs to Peter Marcelis extracted and a list of everyone with the patronymic/aftername of Peters. It's possible that Marcelis Petersz who appears in Book 199 and 200 could be the father of Pieter Marcelis and it might be worth following this up. There is a possibility that some of the other Petersz people might be related.

From the entries for Pieter Marcelis it seems he was in Beesd by the early 1550's and it's possible that the entries from Book 202 refer to sales of land before he left for America."

"I looked through the copies of the records from the Beesd RDC that I received a while back. Unfortunately they aren't very clear so there may be some references that I've missed. The extant registers of Beesd only date from 1687, the earlier ones were destroyed by the French during the time of Napoleon, I believe. However, the CBG in Den Haag have copes of Deacons and Elders, Church meeting minutes and some membership lists commencing 1644.

The mention if Peter Marcelis that I've attached comes from a list of1 October 1653. This is a cumulative list of members added in batches during the year rather than a census of all the members (as the minister compiled in 1644) so it would appear that Peter was made a church member on that date. Thre is no mention of him coming by transfer from another church ('met attestatie' ) so he may well have been a young man at the time - the age of first membership could vary between 18 and 15(ish) and we don't know what age the Beesd Church used. No wife (huijsvrouw) is mentioned specifically next to him in the list.

However, we do know he had four children at the time of the voyage aged 13, 6, 4, and 2 years old which suggests he was married by 1653 when the membership list was made. So several scenarios are possible. Maybe he was married to someone already a member. Maybe the older child was from her previous marriage ( I guess you can add other possibilities!) Having two servants in 1661 would indicate a man of some substance.

It's also interesting that Peter appears in the Loofsignaten in the early 1550's and it would be interesting to see what the transaction at Bk 201:34 reveals"

THANK YOU TERRY! Now the list will follow.




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