Re: Margaret Marshall m. Alexander Pringle 2
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Margaret Marshall m. Alexander Pringle
4/24/01
This is the response that I sent to the McCrackenMarshall forum in response to their interesting article about the Marshalls and Pringles....
I've just asked to join this group because I read the accounts at:
< www.buriedsecrets.com/McCrackenMarshall/Document72.htm >
from the history of the Marshall family and the McCracken family as arranged
by Mrs. Sarah Jane Smith.
The references to Margaret Marshall, the Pringles and Caledon in Co Tyrone
were of great interest, even more so the "Pringles of Tiladon and Baletins
Walls
places in my records. Maybe someone can help explain the links.
I live in England and am descended from Alexander Pringle of Killinaul and
Ballinahone House (1773-1819) who married a Margaret Marshall (1771-1824)
probably in 1791. They are my GGGGGrandparents. I have inherited a family
tree detailing the previous four generations of Pringle ancestors, back to
1646, but no information about the Marshalls. Their children included John
Pringle of Ballinahone House, who married Mary Ann King (1811-1885). I have
traced Mary's ancestors back to the 1650s. According to an online source the
other Pringle children were Ann (1783-1818), Alexander of Killinaul
(1785-1861) and Bolton's Walls (whose son Charles Alexander Pringle inherited
Bolton's Walls - more below), Phoebe (1797-1840), John (see above), Mary
Jane, James, Margaret and Robert. The last three emigrated. [SOURCE:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRINGLE/2000-03/0952553190http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRINGLE/2000-03/0952553190 ]
As mentioned later (item 3), it seems that Bolton's Walls were originally
inherited from Margaret Marshall's father. Frustratingly I cannot contact the
source of this information.
It therefore seemed quite possible that the abovementioned Margaret Marshall
(1771-1824) was the same Margaret Marshall mentioned in your references.
A major problem is that everyone in those times had large families and few
people moved (unless they emigrated). So there were lot of Pringles and
Marshalls living in this area. Add in the factor that Christian names were
generally derived from uncles and aunts and the result is dozens of people in
any village having exactly the same names. I have found that only when birth
and death dates also match can one be sure that two records refer to the same
person.
I have not yet reconstructed a tree of the wider Pringle family so cannot yet
identify with certainty the various Pringles mentioned by Sarah Jane Smith,
namely:
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1. SAMUEL PRINGLE
FROM YOUR RECORDS p11:
(from a Caledon) tombstone):
"Matthew Burns died Sept. 1827, age 59 years
His wife Mary died 22 March 1859, age 86 years
Also four of their children, Margaret, James, Joseph, and Betty Ann Burns;
also Matthew Burns, late of Curlough, who died in 1860, age 65 years; also
Samuel Pringle."
COMMENT: The grandfather of Alexander Pringle (1728-1794) was a Samuel Pringle
(1691-1777). The reference cannot be to him because he was too early. It
could be a cousin or brother of Alexander or John.
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2. JOHN PRINGLE, 1778
FROM YOUR RECORDS p11:
"Here (Caledon) is a large monument, a large walled enclosure has the name
John Pringle, 1778.I know that my grandmother had an Uncle Pringle."
COMMENT: The only John in my records is the abovementioned John of Ballinahone
(1801-1871).
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3. PRINGLES OF TILADON AND BALETINS WALLS
FROM YOUR RECORDS p11:
"Mrs. Leslie Donnelly told me the Pringles of Tiladon and Baletins Walls
were supposed to be descendants."
COMMENT: Bolton's Walls (Map reference H755 493) is a place within the parish
of Aghaloo in County Tyrone [Source:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tyrone/places/http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tyrone/places/ ]
Aghaloo appears to have beeen the ancient name for Caledon according to a
Library of Ireland Dictionary. As this entry mentions Lord Caledon and
Alexander Pringle I have included the text at the end of this message.
Charles Alexander Pringle (1836-1906) inherited Bolton's Walls, Caledon, Co
Tyrone from his father, Alexander Pringle of Killinaul (1785-1861). This
Alexander was the oldest son of Alexander Pringle.
[Source: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRINGLE/2000-03/0952967236http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRINGLE/2000-03/0952967236 ]
I found a very interesting message from a researcher, Jane Yates, who I am
unable to contact. Because it is so interesting I quote it in full:
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"Margaret Marshall m. Alexander Pringle
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?alexander,pringle::marshall::4027.htmlhttp://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?alexander,pringle::marshall::4027.html
Posted by: Jane Yates Date: April 24, 2001 at 03:46:56
I am searching for the father and ancestors of Margaret Marshall. She married
Alexander Pringle of Ballinahone, IRE in 1791. "Margaret inherited from her
father Bolotn's Walls and forty six acres of Killinaul; and from her mother,
Ann McKinny, a second farm in the townland of Tannaghlane, a mile distant in
the direction of "Circumlocution Bridge"." (This information I obtained from
Terrence Pringle of Scotland.) I do NOT know Margaret's fathers given name or
any other information about him. All I know about her mother is her name.
The family for Margaret Marshall and Alexander Pringle:
Alexander Pringle
b. ?
m. 1791 to Margaret Marshall
d. 1817
Margaret Marshall
b. ?
d. 1824
CHILDREN:
1. Anne Pringle
b. ? Bolton's Walls, IRE
d. 1817 (died of fever on the same day as her father)
2. Alexander Pringle
b. 1795 Bolton's Walls, IRE
m. 1831 to Margaret Kane
d. 1861
3.Phoebe Pringle
b. 1797 Bolton's Walls, IRE
m. 05 Nov 1830 to Dr. William Thistle
d. 1840
4. John Pringle
b. ? Bolton's Walls, IRE
m. 1829 to Mary Anne King
d. ?
5. Mary Jane Pringle
b. 1803 Bolton's Walls, IRE
m. 1830 to Dr. John Thistle
d. 1889
6. James Pringle
b. 1807 Bolton's Walls, IRE
m. 1834 IRE to Sarah King
d. 01 Oct 1841 Pope Co, IL
7. Margaret PRingle
b. 1808 Bolton's Walls, IRE
m. aft 1835 to Dr. Cunningham
d. 1839 U.S.A.
8. Robert Pringle
b. ? Bolton's Walls, IRE
m. ?
d. KY (probably McCracken Co. near Paducah)
Hopefully someone can help me with this. I need all the help I can find as I
feel as if I have ran into a brick wall. I am also wondering if this Marshall
family is descended from William Marshall, 4th Earl of Pembroke and The
Marshal of England.
Thanks for any and all help.
Jane Yates
[email protected]"
ENDS
[NOTE1: This email address does not seem to work]
[NOTE2: The list of children matches the information quoted earlier from:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRINGLE/2000-03/0952553190http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PRINGLE/2000-03/0952553190 ]
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4. FRANCIS PRINGLE
FROM YOUR EARLIER RECORDS p17:
"His son visited at my grandmother’s in this country, with Francis Pringle who
was some relative. "
COMMENT: I have no more information
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5. 'UNCLE PRINGLE'
FROM YOUR CURRENT RECORDS:
"My grandmother Margaret (Marshall) McCracken had an Uncle Pringle and Uncle
Cooper, and an Uncle Ecels.They were married to her father’s sisters, and
different ones of these families had visited among my grandmother’s family in
this country.I had seen Hugh Ecels at my Aunt Martha Harbison’s house in
Xenia, when I was a small child, so that although I had forgotten the names
of the lands, I had not forgotten the relative’s names, nor I had not
forgotten that their estates were large landed estates in County Tyrone and
Armagh, and lay close to Caledon and the castle called Alexander’s castle"
COMMENT: I have no more information. I suspect Alexander may be the family
surname of the Earls of Caledon.
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6. ALEXANDER PRINGLE
FROM YOUR RECORDS:
"p.32
Miss Pringle, a granddaughter of Alexander Pringle who lives about five miles
south of Caledon at a place I think called Tilladon.It is the house of
Alex. Pringle who was Henry Marshall’s brother-in-law, and one of the
executors of the estate."
COMMENT: If this refers to Henry Marshall, father of Margaret Marshall and her
husband Alexander Pringle (1773-1819) then Alexander would have been a
son-in-law. The Alex. Pringle could be Alexander's father, Alexander Pringle
(1728-1794) but again 'brother-in-law' is not quite the right term. However
if Henry Marshall was the BROTHER of Margaret Marshall then he would have
been the brother-in-law of Alexander Pringle (1773-1819).
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7. ALEX PRINGLE
FROM YOUR EARLIERRECORDS:
[from p38]
"Mr. Garvin says Alex. Pringle’s mother and my grandmother were first cousins
and relations of his wife’s supposed to have been cousins."
COMMENT: Too complex for me to work out!
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8. FROM YOUR RECORDS:
[From p40]
"Alex. Pringle of Tillden, son of a sister of Henry Marshall of
p.41
Derrycantone, was one of the executors of the estate of Henry Marshall.His
brother Michael of the Grange was another.Alexander Pringle resigned his
position as executor on account of the course that was about to be taken in
regard to the selling of the townland Fernaloy, but Michael retained his
position and endeavored to prevent it."
COMMENT: This would make sense if Margaret Marshall (1771-1824) was Henry
Marshall's sister and if her husband, Alexander Pringle of Killinaul and
Ballinahone House (1773-1819) was the father of this 'Alex. Pringle of
Tillden'.
NOTE: I cannot trace a Tiladon or Tilladon or Tillden in Co Tyrone or Ireland.
These are three spellings used in Sarah Jane Smith's document all presumably
referring to the same place. Could they all be misspellings of Caledon??
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OTHER REFERENCES TO ALEXANDER PRINGLE OF KILLENAUL:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/newspaper/newrynews1828.htmlhttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/newspaper/newrynews1828.html
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ENTRY ON CALEDON FROM:
www.libraryireland.com/topog/c.php
"CALEDON, a market and post-town, in the parish of AUGHALOO, barony of
DUNGANNON, county of TYRONE, and province of ULSTER, 7 miles (W.) from
Armagh, and 70 miles (N. N. W.) from Dublin; containing 1079 inhabitants.
This town, which was formerly named Kennard, as it is still frequently called
by old people, although its manor, markets, and fairs, are all known by the
modern name of Caledon, appears to have been more anciently called Aghaloo,
it being the head of the parish of that name, and the site of its venerable
church, which was destroyed in the insurrection of 1641. It appears to have
been an important military post from a very early period, having been the
property and principal residence of one of the princely sept of O'Nial. The
first direct mention of it is in 1498, when the Lord-Deputy Kildare marched
against Mac Art O'Nial, and having defeated and driven him from his strong
hold in Kennard, presented the fortress and territory to the British ally,
Tirlagh O'Nial, whose descendants seem never to have been found in arms
against England, until Sir Phelim O'Nial headed the insurgents in 1641; for,
in the settlement under Jas. I., Tirlagh O'Nial had a grant of Kennard, with
4000 acres. Tirlagh built here a bawn of lime and stone, some time prior to
1619, near which he erected a castle. This was afterwards the residence of
Sir Phelim, from which he sallied on the evening of the 22nd of October,
1641, having invited himself to supper with Lord Caulfield, at Charlemont.
While at the supper table he made Lord Caulfield a prisoner, and having
separated his lordship's family and the garrison, carried them prisoners to
Kennard, in the castle of which he put his lordship to death. Sir Phelim, who
had been educated as a Protestant in England, soon found himself at the head
of 30, 000 men, and waged a sanguinary warfare against the English. The whole
of the county of Tyrone remained in the possession of the insurgents till
1646, when Gen. Munroe, at the head of 6000 foot and 800 horse, marched
against the Irish under Owen Roe O'Nial. Having passed through Armagh,
Munroe, on the 6th of June, crossed the Blackwater at the ford near Kennard,
and fought the battle of Benburb, or, as it is here called, Batterford
Bridge, in which he was defeated and many British officers and men were
slain.
This town, which is situated on the river Blackwater, and on the road from
Armagh to Omagh, was, before 1816, a mean village, but is now, through the
exertions of the Earl of Caledon, one of the best built towns in the North of
Ireland: it contains 226 houses, nearly all of which are built of stone. The
neighbourhood presents gentle swells and fertile vales, producing abundant
crops. Close to the town are extensive flour-mills, erected by Lord Caledon
in 1823, where above 9000 tons of wheat are ground annually, all of which is
grown in the vicinity, where scarcely an acre of wheat was sown at the
beginning of the century. The Ulster canal, now in the course of formation,
passes through the Earl of Caledon's demesne, a little to the westward of the
town. The market is on Saturday, and is well attended; and a fair is held on
the second Saturday in every month. A constabulary police force has been
stationed here; and there are barracks for the militia. A court for the
recovery of debts under 40s. is held in the market-house, on the first Monday
in each month, for the manor of Caledon, which extends into the parishes of
Aughaloo and Clonfeacle, in the county of Tyrone, and of Tynan, in that of
Armagh; and petty sessions are held in the town once a fortnight. There are
several large and elegant houses in the neighbourhood, the principal of which
is Caledon Hill, the seat of the Earl of Caledon, which stands in a richly
ornamented demesne of 650 Irish acres, extending beyond the Blackwater into
the county of Armagh. Not far distant are Tynan Abbey, the residence of Sir
James Stronge, Bart.; Glass-lough, of Mrs. Wynne Leslie; Crilley, of R.
Pettigrew, Esq.: Rahaghy, of N. Mayne, Esq.; Annagh, of C. Richardson, Esq.;
Drummond, of H. Moore, Esq.; and the glebe-house, of the Rev. E. A. Stopford;
besides several large and good houses in the town.
The living was made a perpetual curacy in 1807, and 20 acres were then added
to the old glebe, which consisted only of 6 1/2 acres: it is in the diocese
of Armagh, and patronage of the Archdeacon. The income is £100 per annum,
arising from a salary of £50 paid by the archdeacon; £15, the estimated value
of 26 1/2 acres of glebe land; and £35. 2., paid by the trustees of Primate
Boulter's augmentation fund. The present church occupies the site of the
ancient building, and is the parish church of Aughaloo: it was erected by
Primate Robinson, in 1767, during the incumbency of the Rev. C. W. Congreave;
the spire was built by the present Lord Caledon, by means of a bequest by his
late father; and the church was enlarged and otherwise improved by his
lordship. It is a large and handsome edifice, in the later English style of
architecture, comprising a nave, chancel, and south transept, and for
repairing it the Ecclesiastical Commissioners recently granted £175. 8. 11.
There are a R. C. chapel and a place of worship for Wesleyan Methodists. The
parochial school is situated near the church: it was built in 1776 by Mr.
Congreave, and is endowed with 3 acres of land and 3 tenements given by
Primate Robinson, and also with £8 per annum by Lord Caledon. Schools at
Ramakit, Curlough, Dyan, and Minterburn, are principally supported by Lord
Caledon; there are national schools at Rahaghy and Mullinahorn; and near the
demesne is a female school built and supported by the Countess of Caledon, in
which 40 girls are clothed and educated. Here is a dispensary; and a
mendicity association was established in 1829, to which Lord Caledon
subscribes £100 per annum. Among the charitable bequests is £100 left by
Alex. Pringle, Esq., and vested in the funds, in the name of Lord Caledon;
the interest, with that of several smaller sums, is applied to the relief of
the poor. Two extensive lakes existed here formerly, one on the north and the
other on the south side of the town, with an island in the centre of each;
that on the south has been drained and brought into cultivation; the north
lake remains, and the island in it, which borders on the glebe is beautifully
planted. Almost the last vestiges of the ancient castle of the O'Nials were
removed a few years since, and a clump of trees planted to mark the entrance
into the courtyard: some of the flooring of the castle was subsequently
discovered, about four feet beneath the surface of the ground, in forming the
new road to Aughnacloy. Some old swords and other military instruments have
been found in the neighbourhood, and are preserved at Caledon Hill. Caledon
gives the titles of Baron, Viscount, and Earl to the family of Alexander, in
which the proprietorship of the town is vested. --See AUGHALOO."
See also: www.from-ireland.net/lewis/t/caledon.htm
[NOTE: Alex. Pringle, Esq., is the only Alexander mentioned in this entry. But
when it says 'Caledon gives the titles of Baron, Viscount, and Earl to the
family of Alexander, in which the proprietorship of the town is vested', this
does not mean Alex Pringle.'Alexander' is the surname of the family of the
Earls of Caledon. James Alexander (1730-1802) was the 1st Earl of Caledon.]
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If anyone can make sense of these complex possible links please contact me.
Best wishes,
Robert Vint.
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