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Re: Nancy METZ, died in childbirth 1831; her parents?
Posted by: jc (ID *****5058) Date: July 03, 2004 at 12:38:00
In Reply to: Nancy METZ, died in childbirth 1831; her parents? by Richard Allen Newman of 972

Just in case, my email message did not get through to you because of your "spam block service" I am sending this message.
Subj: (Hessian) Re: John Hyder
Date: 7/3/2004 3:08:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time

Warm regards,

Jane Curci
Descendant of Hessian soldier, Arnold Haupt.
ID: I068
Name: John HYDER 1 2 3 4
Sex: M
ALIA: John Hyder /Jr/, John Hider
Birth: 11 APR 1806 in MD
Death: 9 AUG 1873 of Infection of the bladder and kidneys
Event: Occupation 1 1850 Weaver
Event: Aka (Facts Pg) BET 1840 AND 1850 John Hider
Medical Information: Reported to have loss of hearing

John and Lydia were living next door to John and Mary Hyder at the time of the 1850 census.
There is an John Hyder living in #7 District of Frederick County MD in the 1830 census, page 214.

Date: 9/14/00 5:44:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Joyce thank you for looking for the information on my Hyders. I found the same info of Carrie and William on under Maryland court records. I have since talked to me aunt who gave me a list of Hyders in the family, but she did not know any other information. This is the list she gave me, maybe you may have some info in your books.

John Hyder 04/11/1806 08/09/1873
Mary Ellen Hyder 05/23/1817 10/01/1896

Daniel M. Hyder 12/28/1831 ---
*Jesse Hyder 12/19/1839 03/22/1916
James W. Hyder 07/20/1841 ---
William H. Hyder 07/14/1843 12/28/1908

*Jesse Hyder 12/28/1839 03/22/1916
Amanda M. E. Hyder 05/23/1817 10/01/1896

*William O. Hyder 04/03/1869 09/27/1937/38
Mollie E. Hyder 08/20/1871 ---
Sussie O. Hyder 01/28/1873 ---
John L. Hyder 10/16/1874 06/26/1944
Jinnie L. Hyder 08/04/1876 ---
Ruben S. Hyder 11/21/1878 10/--/1956
Gardfield Hyder 11/15/1880 01/26/1884
Lottie M. Hyder 02/05/1883 ---
Edna Y. Hyder 02/17/1885 ---
Charley E. Hyder 06/06/1887 Summer 1955

*William O. Hyder 12/03/1869 09/27/1937/38
Carrie M. Lookingbill 05/06/1875 07/11/1957

*Bessie M. Hyder 09/29/1891 05/191968
Frank E. Hyder 10/12/1895 10/14/1959
William P. Hyder 06/04/1897 ---
George D. Hyder 10/24/1898 01/05/1956
Leroy J. Hyder 03/31/1900 01/02/1971
Isabel H. Hyder 03/19/1906 09/30/1966
Samuel Hyder --- 05/26/1609
Harold E. Hyder 04/02/1911 ---

* My line of Hyders

Bessie M. was my grandmother she married Howard M. Wiles who lines comes from Frederick County. They lived in York, Pa. I belive that most of Williams' children were born in York. I know some of them moved to Cleveland. If you can find or tell me were to look for any information on the Hyders and Lookingbills would be greatly appreciated.

I have a document that says that both Carrie and William were born in Union Bridge, Carroll County, but I found some info on that paper that
was not correct. Such as it said that Carrie and William were married when Bessie was born. Check the dates.

Looking for family info is turning into a fun project and a great look into history as our ancestors lived.

Thanks for your information and interest.


Subj: Re: To fill in
Date: 9/26/00 12:48:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Jbfgen
To:, JHydeO
CC: Shconner

Hi Don,
I agree with Richard's theory about Nancy Metz - I show a John Hyder, Jr. marrying Nancy on 3/1/1831 so she could have given birth to Daniel M. on 12/28 AND died in childbirth. (This was from "Marriage Licenses of Frederick County, Maryland - 1811-1840). Also, there is a big gap as you will note between Daniel & Jessie.

Now I see no other "marriage" for John in Frederick - therefore he could have moved to Carroll Co. unfortunately, Carroll's marriage license book only shows 1 Hyder which is William O. BUT it does show tons of Hyde family members. I have always wondered if the Hydes were related cause my Mom remembers a Paul Hyde always visiting when she was a child.

Also, something that all of you might be interested to hear is that on the Lake 1873 Frederick County map, there is a D.M. Hyder living north of Johnsville (and just down the road from him a N. Lookingbeal) and south of Johnsville - a J. Hyder, J. Engler, and a W.H. Hyder living within miles of each other. Then further south is another J. Hyder. So it appears that they all were still in the Johnsville area at that time! Now on the Bond map of 1853, there is only the J. Hyder that lived further south of Johnsville - so I must assume that this is the John Hyder, the father.

Also, although I have the records from St. Peter's Lutheran in Woodsboro, I do know that Johan Wilhelm Heyder (and Jacob W. Hyder) were buried at Rocky Hill Cemetery. There is a Rocky Hill Reformed Church and according to the Frederick County Genealogical Guide, their records are up in Lancaster (years 1770 - 1851).

The big question is though - did Richard have any idea who John Jr.'s parents were????

BTW - did you happen to mention to him about the postcard that I have to my great great grandmother about the death of Mary Bowman.


Marriage 1 Mary Ellenore BROWNING b: 23 MAY 1817 in MDChildren
Jesse W HYDER b: 19 DEC 1839 in Johnsville, Frederick Co, MD
James Washington HYDER b: 20 JUL 1841 in Johnsville, Frederick Co. MD
William H HYDER b: 14 JUL 1843 in Johnsville, Frederick Co. MD
Marriage 2 Nancy METZ b: BEF 1816
Married: 1 MAR 1831 in Frederick County, MD 5
Marriage fact: 28 DEC 1831 in Died in child birthing
Marriage Ending Status: Death of one spouseChildren
Daniel Metz HYDER b: 28 DEC 1831 in Johnsville, Frederick Co. MD
Title: Email from Jessica
Author: Jessica (Hyder) Olszewski
Publication: Email
Note: Good
Call Number:
Media: Electronic
Page: Here are more Hyders 990920
Text: William Hyder born before 1789. Perhaps our John Hyder was the son of William Hyder and named after William's father John. Then maybe Jesse and Amanda named their first child William after Jesse's grandfather.
Title: Email from Jessica
Author: Jessica (Hyder) Olszewski
Publication: Email
Note: Good
Call Number:
Media: Electronic
Page: Descendants of Charles Buckey Hyder 990926
Text: I'm not sure if William is the link. It is an educated guess which needs to be checked.
Title: 1850 Census
Call Number:
Media: Census
Page: Frederick Co, MD, district 8, page 46
Text: Listed as John Hider
Title: 1840 Census
Call Number:
Media: Census
Page: Frederick Co, MD, district 8, page 17
Title: Ancestry.Com
Call Number:
Media: Book
Page: Maryland Marriages 1667 - 1899
Subj: [HESSIAN] Re: PML Search Result Hessian - Wilhelm HEYDER.
Date: 7/3/2004 11:27:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: (John Merz)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Allen Newman" <>
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 11:14 AM
> ==============================
> Source:
> Subject: Cenia METZ and her family
> Hello Sue,
> I could not determine her given name from viewing census pages due to poor
handwriting and fuzzy images. I have since found that she married Lester E.
WOLFE of Maryland, and had a son, Thomas W. WOLFE, born about 1926. Cenia
died July 1977, according to the Social Security Death Index. Her last
residence was High Springs, Alachua County, Florida.
> My interest in the METZ family is from the marriage of Nancy METZ to John
HYDER, Jr., a family of which I am a descendant of the Hessian conscript,
Johann Wilhelm HEYDER.

==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ====
HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg"
Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck.
HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications.
You'll find information in the keyword archive 1999 "26 Feb 1999"

Box 25 - Folder 33
Johann Wilhelm Heyder

Special Collections
Johannes Schwalm Historical Association Collection

MS 52

Scope and Content:This collection consists of research materials gathered by the Johannes Schwalm Historical Asssociation an organization dedicated to the history of the Hessian soldiers who became citizens of the new United States after the American Revolution and their German-American descendents. Available to interested researchers are mostly secondary materials such as journals, monographs, family histories, articles, dissertations and manuscripts documenting German-American families, history and culture. Provenance:Prior to its donation to Franklin and Marshall College in 2001, The JSHA Collection had been deposited at the Gratz Historical Society in Gratz, Pa. Additional materials, received in 2002 were in the possession of JSHA Secretary Mark Schwalm, President Rich Barth and member Bob Webler. In 2003 materials were received from Association officers Rich Barth, N. Daniel Schwalm, and James E. Swalm.

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