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How does one really prove their genealogy without Ydna testing? Here's a situati
Posted by: melissa1 (ID *****1156) Date: August 10, 2011 at 08:37:04
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I have recently been in contact with a man who is of one of the New England MOODY Ydna surname groups to whom I am NOT related per Ydna results, but he and I have been in genealogical contact for years over these MOODY's and their English branches. We were discussing some real serious questions about Ydna and how it weighs against supposed documented genealogy.
This brought up the very sensitive subject of exhumation for Ydna purposes.
While I know this subject may be very off-putting to some, I think others may see that in order to actually PROVE your MOODY lineage line at least back to an ancestor who was known to be an Immigrant of your particular branch of the Moody line, it is going to be essential to actually take such a drastic measure as exhumation of one of the earliest male MOODY bodies we know of in New England (well, with the exception of one but he removed to VA...#3 below).
There are 4 distinct MOODY lines in New England.
1.- John MOODY of Hartford, CT whose Ydna HaploType is shown as "G" but this line really has few showing up as related to this line for a man whose descendants are so prolific, I find this amazing. I fully expected the John MOODY line to be a bit more "showing" for lack of a better word at this moment, than it has been. However, as it stands right now, the William 1 MOODY of Newbury, MA has several more matches than that of John.

2.- William 1 MOODY of Newbury, MA whose Ydna HaploType is shown as "R1b" (with several having longer extension names R1b121a....something like that, but for simplicities sake, we'll just call them "R1b's" for now). William as I noted above has several more matching men to his group than that of the "G" group of John of Hartford. It has been tradition for generations that John and William were cousins from England, but when the Ydna test results started coming it, it Clearly showed that these two men and their branches were not "genetically" related at all. There is no arguing with the Ydna results. This is not to say however that John and William Moody are linked via a marriage connection that took place, which would indeed link their families by Relationship, but just not by blood so to speak.

3.- Lady Deborah MOODY and her son the baronet Henry MOODY who came over from the Wiltshire area of England to New York. Henry eventually removed to VA and supposedly never married. But did he ever father any sons?? Its Entirely Possible and its Entirely possible that some of the scattered Non-Matching to any of the branch lineages of the MOODY's represented in our Surname Project, could be his off-spring. Its a stretch I know, but in doing genealogy we have to consider everything.

4.- Clement MOODY of Exeter, NH whose line of descendants are also numerous. He is of the "I2b" HaploType as I recall and his line has had great success with matching Moody cousins. However, here again, while they know they descend from his line which dates back to the 1600's and it seems as though he may be a son of a Scot POW Ingram MOODY from the Battle of Dunbar [Scotland] in 1650, unless Clement's body or a KNOWN son of his is exhumed and Ydna is taken and tested, no one really knows for certain.

None of us do for certain. While it seems most likely that we are indeed related via the documentation we have, we really don't know for sure unless we have that Very Early (1600's) Ydna that shows a Match to the various branches of MOODY's.
I have NO idea what it takes to get a body exhumed for such a task or if you could even get a court to agree to do such a thing, but I do know it has been done or has been tried to be done with the outlaw Jesse James.
There has been a great deal of discussion from both sides of the coin about it too. Many in favor of and many in opposition to it.

For our MOODY branches purposes, I don't think there would be much opposition for the 1600's immigrants of the branches. It would once and for all PROVE that Yes, John MOODY of Hartford, CT was also of HaploType "G" and therefore those Moody descendants who have been Ydna tested and are also of the "G" HaploType can then Positively say that they do Indeed connect to that John MOODY at least that far back and on this side of "the pond". Now, what happens over in England we don't know, that would take a great deal of money and effort to prove a connection between John and his ancestors in England and who knows if they would even exhume a body if one Moody of John's line could even be located over there for such testing purposes.

Having William 1 Moody's body exhumed (and by the way we do know where these men are buried with the exception of Baronet Henry MOODY son of Lady Deborah. I'm not sure if his grave is in VA and marked or not), but anyway, William's Ydna if it proved to be "R1b" then those folks who have been tested could be assured of their link to his line as well.
However, in our deep discussions about this, given the tradition that John of Hartford and William of Newbury, were cousins, what if one of the two men were NOT of the HaploTypes that both of these Ydna testing results are showing right now...what if those men who appear to descend from John MOODY and of the "G" haplotype, what if their John was exhumed and his Ydna tested positive for "R1b" that matched to William 1 Moody?? This could be a HUGE genealogical changer and quite an historical proving that YES John and William MOODY are/were indeed related to one another and this would then Prove that they did come from the same branch of MOODY's over in England as well.
Now you have something really exciting!
On the other hand you now have a situation where the Moody descendants who have all been Ydna tested with the assumption that they do belong to the John Moody of Hartford, CT line whose test results turned out to be "G" haplotype may have had an Adoption or an Oooops (NPE as the Ydna experts refer to it "Non Paternal Event" is what I think it stands for...meaning the Moody line is Not the real father of this branch).

We think it would be a great and positive Next Step if you will, to further Prove and therefore straighten out the eons of possible erroneous genealogy that has for centuries been misrepresented between these English branches of the MOODY's. (with the exception of the Clement line who appears to be of a Scottish line).

Again, I personally have no idea how to go about getting any of that done, I am only the presenter of the message to those who may know how to go about getting something like this into taking place. Perhaps those of the "G" group and those of the "gray - R1b" group could collaborate and get together on discussing the possibilities of what this could mean for both of their lineage lines.
We just wanted to put this out there and see if it gained any interest at all and I agreed that I would post it, but again I stress, I am first of all NOT related to either of these lines I am only the message poster, and I have no way of knowing what to do or even who to contact to get something of this nature in motion. I know that there will folks in those groups who probably do know though and that is why we felt it might be a great project to see if it could happen.

The results of having someone who is documented genealogically and seemingly Genetically related to you, once and for all actually PROVEN by the earliest known Ydna of a MOODY ancestor down to you would in my opinion be Fantastic to find out.
I know this may not be a consideration for some, but for others, just give it some thought, and if you think its a do-able thing, perhaps the two groups can get together via email or phone and discuss this amongst yourselves to see what can take place.
I hope I covered everything I wanted to here. This was such a sensitive subject I wanted to be able to present it as gently as possible. Its not meant to offend or upset anyone and since we are talking about 3 men born in the 1600's, I knew that no one living today would probably not be too upset by the thought of this. At least I hope not, that is certainly not my intention, only to present a Possible way of Solidly Proving your ancestral line at least back to your Immigrant ancestors.





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