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Gone to Itawamba Co., MS from AL (Addendum)
Posted by: Anonymous (ID *****4223) Date: October 23, 2012 at 10:31:56
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(For details about this family line, see Parts 1 thru 4 posted March 2012 under message numbers 19836, 19844, 19849, 19852 and also supplementary message 20113 posted September 2012.)

There has been an assumption made in some other messages that Joel PHILLIPS who married Permelia "Milly" WATTS and Joel PHILLIPS who married Elizabeth "Betty" HAWKINS are the same person. They are not.

The confusion seems to stem from the fact that, at one time, both of them were living in the same county ---- and possibly within the same community. This is reflected by the presence of their families on two adjacent pages of the 1840 Benton Co., AL census. Each Joel appears as an unnamed male adolescent in the demographics of their parental household. For the Joel who married Milly WATTS, it's in the home of his widowed mother, Frances PHILLIPS (page 40), and for the Joel who married Betty HAWKINS, it's in the home of his presumptive father, William PHILLIPS (page 39).

On page 39 three unrelated PHILLIPS lines are enumerated. Near the top is Jacob PHILLIPS. Towards the middle are the adjacent households of William PHILLIPS & Thomas PHILLIPS. Close to the bottom is Zachariah PHILLIPS. As noted above, Zachariah's widowed mother, Frances, is on the following page near the top. Next to her is Hezekiah COLEMAN, father of Zachariah's wife Susanna.

Other than the physical presence of these unrelated PHILLIPS lines in the same general neighborhood in 1840, there is nothing to substantiate any familial relatedness to one another (except for the adjacent households of William & Thomas). Furthermore, additional census data as well as DNA analysis would seem to disprove any connection.

PHILLIPS DNA PROJECT/GROUP 62 (where Joel PHILLIPS h/o Betty belongs).
So far, this group contains only lines with roots in South Carolina. As was pointed out in a July 2006 message (#15663), Joel PHILLIPS and his wife Elizabeth appear in the 1850 Benton Co., AL census and then later in the 1860 census of St. Clair Co., AL, practically next door to Thomas PHILLIPS (and wife Levina BOX). The message also noted the presence of William PHILLIPS (wife Rebecka) in 1850 Benton Co., AL and indicated the possibility that he was the father of both Thomas PHILLIPS (wife Levina) and Joel PHILLIPS (wife Elizabeth).

That is probably the case. In addition, Jackson PHILLIPS, who appeared as a married man in the 1850 census of Benton Co., AL, was, very likely, another son. In 1860 he was found in St. Clair Co., AL living with his wife Polly (aka "M. A." in 1850) next door to presumed parents William & Rebecca PHILLIPS.

All of these men, father & sons, were born in South Carolina. Their family history is simply not compatible with the family of Joel PHILLIPS who married Milly WATTS and who have roots in Georgia and Alabama. Unfortunately, the heritage lines have become entangled.

PHILLIPS DNA PROJECT/GROUP 02 (where Joel PHILLIPS h/o Milly probably belongs).
There are two pedigrees of interest here: one from an older kit and somewhat confusing (#135784), the other from a new kit and very promising (#242917). Both have drawn attention because they name two men who are actually brothers and the sons of Reuben PHILLIPS & Fanny CODY (aka COODY). The named William PHILLIPS and Elisha PHILLIPS (both of whom had been preachers) are also the brothers of the Joel PHILLIPS who married Milly WATTS.

In one entry the wife of William PHILLIPS is given as Anne JACKSON. The assumption of her maiden name was probably extracted from the 1850 census of Marion Co., AL in which an 85-year-old woman named Anne JACKSON was present in the couple's home. However, her name was Anne THOMAS, and the original documentation of William's marriage to her on 13 Oct 1831 in Carroll Co., GA may be viewed on-line at the Georgia Archives "Virtual Vault". (The marriage on the following day of William's brother, Zachariah, to Susanna COLEMAN may also be seen.)

In the other entry William PHILLIPS was listed with three wives. However, he only married twice. The woman named "Susie" was actually a misreading of the enumerator's script for "Anne" as seen in the 1850 census.

In both pedigrees Elisha PHILLIPS appears as the son of William, but, as already noted, he was a younger brother.

The pedigree of the older kit (#135784) is confusing because it's a mixture of lines. Although Elisha PHILLIPS and his first wife Martha (MASON?) did have a son Mason, he has been confused with another Mason (#6) who is found as a married man in the 1880 census of Polk Co., AR with wife Mary S. and infant son William H. PHILLIPS (meant to be #7). However, the William H. PHILLIPS as given is actually the son of Matthias K. "Babe" PHILLIPS (26 Mar 1855 Madison Co., AR - 18 Jul 1929 Johnson Co., AR). The FINDAGRAVE website shows that both Babe's son William H. (#7) and grandson Ervin Sylvester (#8) are buried at the Marlow Cemetery in Stephens Cpo., OK. Looking at the broader outline of the lineage, it appears that the descent is suppose to be from the William Phillips who chose not to relocate to Georgia but, instead, moved to Overton Co., TN.

It is the lineage of the newer kit (#242917) which highly suggests that it represents a descendancy not from Reuben & Alferetta/Feriba (#3) but, instead, from Reuben PHILLIPS & Fanny CODY (COODY) as outlined:
4. William m. Anne JACKSON
5. Elisha m. 1) Martha and m. 2) Mary Frances SCARBOROUGH
6. Josh D. m. Hattie Rebecca DEAN
7. Jack Dean m. Effie V. BONNETT.

In 1880 Elisha PHILLIPS and his second wife Mary Frances SCARBOROUGH were living in West Carroll Parish, LA. Because the enumerator chose to provide only initials for given names, the question arises as to whether the son "P", age 9, born AR, is really the son Josh D. (#6), born ca. 1871 AR, that is listed on the above chart.

Additional data found on-line using a search engine, FAMILYSEARCH and FINDAGRAVE appear to show that two sons of Elisha (#5) married two sisters who were the eldest daughters of Charles Richard DEAN and his wife Sarah "Sally" LAMBERT. As noted in the lineage chart, Josh D. PHILLIPS (1872 - 1946), the younger of the probable brothers, married Harriet "Hattie" DEAN (21 July 1889 - 19 Sept 1987). Elisha Graves PHILLIPS (28 Nov 1866 - 27 Nov 1928), who is seen as "Elisha" in the 1870 Ashley Co., AR census and as "E. G." in the 1880 West Carroll Parish, LA census, married Minnie DEAN (29 June 1888 - 22 May 1970). All are buried at the Community of Christ Cemetery in Ouachita Parish, LA.

If Josh D. PHILLIPS was, in fact, the son of Elisha PHILLIPS and his second wife, Mary Frances SCARBOROUGH, then the Group 02 DNA will have been established for the line of Reuben PHILLIPS (wife Fanny CODY). What it also means is that Reuben was, most likely, one of the sons of Levi PHILLIPS, the Revolutionary Soldier of NC who died in Carroll Co., GA.

Perhaps, there will be other direct-line male descendants of Reuben PHILLIPS & Fanny CO(O)DY who will participate in DNA testing and, in doing so, help to further prove the biological heritage of this family.

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