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Posted by: Elton L. Powell (ID *****3093) Date: April 22, 2011 at 09:25:47
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Over the years I have tried to shed some light on this bloodline from Cleopatre. The main thing I have come up with is that therE is little verification on this line ; especially when those claiming it and reporting on it take the meaning of certain words and hang a whole bloodline on it. That the names have some verification there is little doubt. With the lack of Records I tend to rely on the words of the leaders in a line and also the earliest published writings refering to the subject. Most of the earliest 'records' are non-existent. The Indian Nation as a whole just did NOT have a written language and so substantiation is also non-existant. But the words of the leaders were reported on by a good many of the pioneers; Smith- Savage-Newport and the Ministers associated with them at that time. But there is one actual Document that led to the mis-understanding of this bloodline and continues to be so. That Document is in reference to Thomas Rolfe, Pocahontas' son when he requested permission from the Maryland Governor to visit his relatives. That one word is 'ALLIED'. I TAKE OBJECTION TO IT MEANNING MARRIED. IT MEANS ASSOCIATED IN A COMMMON CAUSE OR PROJECT. It is NEVER used to refer to a man and his spouse and vice-versa even if they are in a common cause.
What Thomas Rolfe said was that Cleopatre was his mother's sister. He said he was ALLIED with Opecancanough, not that Cleopatre was married to Opecancanough. She was probably living with him as some reports say. In all my research I have not found any verification of a marriage between Cleo and Opie. 'BUT', if you can take her father's own words on the matter, When Captain Newport tried to sound out Powhatan on another possible marriage between his remaining daughter, Cleo, and himself, POWHATAN said that she was married to a chief and was some days distant from him. Could this be Kocoum that everyone is concerned about? I DON'T KNOW but I can't take that to mean it was Opecancanough, her uncle. Besides, Opie was already an old man. Cleo was about 17 at the time. There is so much speculation on when these Indians were born that nothing is for certain. Pocahontas was supposed to have been born in 1595. But what record or leader's words attain to this? Opie is older than Powhatan by some statements and younger by others.I say statements because there are NO records. Cleo is some 17 years younger than Pocahontas but where's the verification? Younger; YES; but by how much? And married to her uncle who was in 1617 an old man; it is a stretch of the imagination; even for Indians. And besides: Powhatan didn't even mention Opie as a possible husbAND and by saying that she married my brother. I've had this argument before in earlier messages on this board. So stop hanging your bloodline on Opie as being in your bloodline. Opie's age was estimated at 90 to 100 when he was captured in 1644. And he had to have someone hold his eyelids open when he wanted to see. While infirmities don't qulify for estimating age, Opie was certainly a very old man in 1644. But he could still talk and nothing is reported about who his spouse was.
I respect Mr. William Deyo for his genealogical prowess but even he does not give verifiable statistics on the early Indian Tribes in Jamestown. But he does speculate well. This stuff can get very knotty but that's no excuse for making outrageous claims. He's too close to the problem. The INdians just didn't have a written language and they didn't chisle in stone either. Nothing. We even speculate who Powhatan's father was. Don Luios de Velasco? Mayber but not even the Spanish give anything authentic on this matter. If you mis-use the word'allied' to mean marriage and don't believe Powhatan knew his brother from a chief some days in the woods, then it's easy to claim anything to support your ancestry to most any Indian you want. I ran into Cleo too but I'm remaining skepticle 'till something concrete comes along.ELTON

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