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Re: Substantiation--Certification-- Public Records / etcettera!
Posted by: Elton L. Powell (ID *****3093) Date: April 26, 2011 at 14:42:53
In Reply to: Substantiation--Certification-- Public Records / etcettera! by Elton L. Powell of 1080

It's been 4 days since I posted the next of this topic and with no apparent critics to show interest. While my main item about Cleopatre is that Opecancanough was NOT her husband and with what I had as support,[Thomas Rolf's request to the Governor and Chief Powhatan's response to Captain Newport's request for another Indian-White marriage],it may make a litle more sence to concider just WHO Opecancanough was. His parentage, like most other Indians is all over the block. Was he a full or 1/2 brother of Powhatan? I won't go into just who was the mother but the four brothers were most probably related with the father,Don Luis de Velasco, as the certain father. If the Spanish can be believed. But it is the character of the man that gives me much pause as to whether Nicketti could have been his daughter. I'll go along with Cleo as her mother. But Opecancanough was as much the savage as the white man believed almost all Indians were. While not a good deal was written about him, his hatred of whites and constant desire to kill them all practically PRECLUDES him from allowing Nicketti from marrying one. Some reports have Powhatan keeping him in check from starting wars and I have yet to read which tribe he was the chief of. The man was a warrior, no doubt.
Powhatan's reply to Captain NEWPORT said Cleo married a chief some days distant, not his brother. Only after Powhatan's death in 1618 did Opie have a chance to battle the whites. But his brother; Opechipan became the Top Chief of the Nation, not Opie. Of course this could have set him off but Opechipan had to hold Opie in check. The time for Opie's dream didn't come untill 1622 which turned on him and he settled down for another few years. Untill 1643 you had to have a 'pass' to even go into Indian territory. And few did. Thomas Rolfe was born in @ 1615 and returned to America in 1638. The strong animosity between the whites and the Indians was the cause for the request from the Governor. Then in 1643 Opecancanough got his desire for an all out war to drive the whites back to England but by this time the whites were much too strong for removal. What record there is of Opie's death is that he was shot by a soldier in an act of revenge. With all this hate going on as late as 1644 there's no way that Opie was going to let his daughter, if she was,[Nicketti], marry a white. So all you 'genealogists' out there who thought Opie was in your line, I encourage you to go back to the drawing board. He ain't yours; as we say here in the south. Where's the proof? Cleo's father knew better than anyone else who she married and he got 3 bushels of Roatan [whatever that is ] in exchange. And that's something else in Opie's 'craw' if he ever had such a desire to marry Cleo. Wm. Deyo seems to think that Opie married Cleo to keep his footing in the Royal 'chest' as it were. Well; the Indians didn't have a 'Royal' family so Cleo's blood would have gotten him nothing. Opechipan became Powhatan's successor. The same as Pocahontas blood didn't qualify her as a Princess. And on and on. Which explains why she wasn't touted at the Palace of King James. Pocahontas had no standing in the ruling family that many think. ELTON



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