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Re: Pole/de la Pole 13th century
Posted by: Patrick Moran (ID *****7966) Date: February 07, 2008 at 14:31:47
In Reply to: Re: Pole/de la Pole 13th century by Geoffrey Stone of 135

Continuation #2:

As I mentioned above, Professor Newbold went to England twice, staying there nearly a year each time, researching the history of the Coate, Pole, and Newbold families. During one of those trips, he optained a handwritten short pedigree of the Pole family, furnished to him by one Frederick George Lee.

The chart shows the direct descendants of Sir Richard and Margaret (Plantagenet) Pole - for a couple of generations; but then the trail just ends. This same pedigree can be found in many published books on the Poles, but this one is different because of a notation at the bottom by Frederick George Lee, which reads:

"It is believed that, on account of the persecution under the Tudors and Stuarts, members of this noble family avoided publishing details relating to them. FGL. From an old MS pedigree, so I testify, Frederick George Lee, 28 March, 1895."

So that notation of the family avoiding publishing information about their family was taken from a previous pedigree considered "old" in 1895. That provides the reason we cannot now find the immediate ancestors of Edward Pole, father of Ann (Pole) Coate and undoubted originator to his descendants in America of the tradition of their descent from Margaret (Plantagenet) Pole. There are three unknown names from the last known male (Plantagenet) Pole descendants and Edward Pole. They would have been his father, grandfather, and great-grandfather, names that he would undoubtedly have known!

And then there is the question of just who was, after all, Frederick George Lee. When I first saw the above notation on the old pedigree, it was just a name - perhaps just another researcher hired to assist Professor Newbold in his research in England. Perhaps. Well, no!

Having established that the Pole family was a noble family that had its roots in Wales, I visited the National Library of Wales in Aberystwyth one year. And, to my astonishment, I found a book entitled "Reginald Pole, Cardinal Archbishop of Canterbury." It is the definitive biography of Cardinal Reginald Pole, son of Sir Richard and Margaret (Plantagenet) Pole. And the author was - Frederick George Lee!

So, when such a man as he suggests that the Pole family was hiding the identity of their children to protect them from the persecution of the Tudors and Stuarts, it cannot be simply dismissed, now can it?

So now I, like Professor Newbold, had been unable to trace the Pole family back any further from Edward and Mary Pole, parents of Ann (Pole) Coate. But I had the apparent reason for that inability.

At that point, I decided to do further research on the descendants of Sir Richard and Margaret (Plantagenet) Pole, paying particular attention to the mysterious disappearance of information after a couple of generations. I will also mention that I got a lot of information from that book by Frederick George Lee - in fact I obtained a copy of the book from the library in Aberystwyth for my personal collection.

I will now post this - to be continued:

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