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Re: Pole/de la Pole 13th century
Posted by: Patrick Moran (ID *****7966) Date: February 07, 2008 at 20:58:28
In Reply to: Re: Pole/de la Pole 13th century by Geoffrey Stone of 135

As I mentioned earlier, there are three missing generations behind that Thomas Pole, senior Pole pretender to the throne; and Edward Pole, whose wife was named Mary, the parents of Ann Pole, who married Marmaduke Coate and came to America, and her brother, Edward Pole, some of whose children also came to America.

We cannot now identify those missing names - probably because the family was diligently withholding information from the public records in an effort to prevent their extermination by the reigning Tudors and Stuarts.

However, the family tradition in America among the descendants of Marmaduke and Ann (Pole) Coate, and among the descendants of Edward and Grace (Jones) Pole, proves that the tradition was passed on to them by their father, the Edward Pole whose wife was named Mary.

Those missing names would have been well known to the elder Edward Pole; they would have been his father, grandfather, and great-grandfather. And he would most certainly have known of their descent from the earlier Poles and Plantagenets, thus justifying that tradition which he obviously passed on to his children.

In addition to the above, there is other circumstantial evidence of their noble or possibly royal descent to be found here in America.

Several such items may be found in The Newbold Collection, the research of Professor William Romaine Newbold, in the library in Philadelphia:

Item: A letter from Edwin Black to William R. Newbold, dated Februaty 19,1889, which includes the statement, "She was said to be a niece of the Duchess of Salisbury," referring to Edith Coate, daughter of Marmaduke and Ann (Pole) Coate, who married Thomas Newbold. He was clearly referring to the Countess of Salisbury.

Item: Another letter, dated February 22, (year omitted), from Emily Rittenhouse to Mr. Newbold, states, "Edith Coates who married Thomas N. was a daughter of Marmaduke Coates and Anna Pole, and Anna Pole was a daughter of Mary and Edward Pole of Someresetshire, Engb., Mary being a lineal descendant of Margaret, Countess of Salisbury, the last of the Plantagenets." She clearly meant Edward was a descendant of the Countess, instead of Mary.

Item: The inventory of the personal estate of Ann (Pole) Coate, wife of the deceased Marmaduke Coate, listed a "great bible." Such a description suggests a book of considerable value, one that might have been handed down from a family of considerable importance. I am terrible disappointed that I have never been able to find that bible. Imagine - it might have been the family bible of the last of the Plantagenets!

Item: From an undated "M of G.S." (manuscript of probably George Sykes), referring to Edith Newbold, daughter of Marmaduke and Ann (Pole) Coate. It goes on to describe fine furniture of superior workmanship and finish in possession of Edith Newbold. Such fine furnishings would have belonged only to a family of considerable importance in America at that time.

In addition to the above findings in The Newbold Collection of Professor William Romaine Newbold, two identical sheets of paper were found in two other files in the library in Philadelphia. One is in a box marked "Coate, Burlington County, New Jersey"; and the other in the "Gertrude Fyburg Collection." They read, ". . . Marmaduke b.1651 was a son of Marmaduke and Edith Coates. He was married to Ann Pole, daughter of Cardinal Pole. He immigrated to America, settled, died, and was buried in the F.B.G. at Burlington, New Jersey. Ann was certainly not the daughter of Cardinal Pole - she was a grand-niece, several times removed; but the unknown author was definitely asserting her connection with the family of the Countess of Salisbury.

With all the information presented above in my several separate postings convince me that Ann (Pole) Coate and her brothers, Edward Pole and John Pole, were indeed descendants of the legendary Margaret (Plantagenet) Pole.


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