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Re: John DeLa Pole 1442
Posted by: Patrick E. Moran Date: October 07, 2000 at 15:25:35
In Reply to: Re: John DeLa Pole 1442 by laura of 135

Hi Laura. I wish I could help you with your line, but my Pole line appears to be from a different family. However, I think you should know that there were two different Pole families in England, from different origins, and they do not appear to have been related - at least not in the earliest times. One family, the De la Poles, were Normans who came to England with William the Conqueror, who first acquired their name back in Normandy. That appears to be your family.

And then there was another family which was descended from the Welsh Princes of Powys, whose seat was at Welshpool. They had a fortied residence built in the middle of a pool at Welshpool. In 1286, four years after the conquest of Wales by King Edward I, Owen ap Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn, last hereditary Prince of Powys, was forced to renounce his royal title and surrender his lands to the English crown. In exchange, he received his lands back as a royal grant and was given the title "Baron de la Pole" (i.e. of Pool Castle); thus the family name became de la Pole. In time, the de la was dropped, and the name became simply Pole. But for a while their name was identical to the Norman family of de la Pole.

Furthermore, it appears that some of the Norman family later dropped the de la, making their name Pole also.

This situation makes it very difficult sometimes to sort out these two families. I am not suggesting that you have mixed them up; I just want you to be aware of the situation.

Sorry I cannot help you with your family. My research has all been on the Welsh family, which is my ancestral family. Good luck with your research.


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