RIP OFF ! SCAM !
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In reply to:
New Rand family information source
Joy Shivar 11/28/00
Since posting previous messages, I have found new information that changes my mind about Joy and what she is doing.
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Do not give any (more) information to this woman ! Read the following and decide for yourself - to me Joy IS pulling a scam !
JOY from LIPSCOMB # 646 - I am a document trader and collector and am in possession of an item (description of document). Can anyone offer more information about this document ? When questioned by someone replying, JOY said: # 649 "I am sorry. The information in the previous follow up is wrong. I was confused with a different document. The information in my original post is all that I know as it is all that is on the document. So your guess is as good as mine. If anyone is interested in owning this document, please contact me at [email protected] - It is for sale.
IN OTHER WORDS, SHE FOUND OUT WHAT SHE WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE ITEM SHE HAS FOR SALE, AND NOW SHE CAN GET MORE 'BUCKS' FOR IT BECAUSE YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE IN A FAMILY FORUM HAS FED HER ALL KINDS OF GREAT INFORMATION. SHE WILL KEEP THIS INFO ON HER COMPUTER FILE, AND THE NEXT TIME ANY KIND OF ITEM WITH THAT SAME FAMILY NAME COMES HER WAY, ALL SHE HAS TO DO IS GIVE OUT THE SAME STORY WITHOUT DOING ANY MORE RESEARCH ON THAT FAMILY LINE. WHAT A GREAT SCAM ! GET EVERYBODY ELSE TO DO THE WORK, AND YOU MAKE THE MONEY FROM THEIR INFORMATION ! I SAY IT'S TIME TO GET HER OFF THIS FORUM !
All the 'horse pucky' about news clippings is just that - she may have some of those, but her main source of business is acquiring and selling (using YOUR information) any items she can get.
A number of people on this and other forums are being too apologetic to Joy. Joy IS trying to sell historic or archival items, and is asking people on this forum for more information so she can "close the deal". Joy is quite simply collecting items and information from anyone, anywhere, and wants to sell them to anyone, anywhere. If she can get some kind of "provenance" (archival history related to the origin of the item), she has no qualms about asking for it from the people who post messages here. She will use this 'history' to sell the item and make more money, but the person giving her the information doesn't get a 'cut' of her earnings. In other words - a SCAM !!!
The purpose of this forum is NOT commercial. Joy should sell her items on other forums designed for that purpose.