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Posted by: Philmore C. Rial Date: May 03, 1998 at 18:41:00
In Reply to: General Information by Phil C. Rial of 283

I have found a reference quoted, that I would very much like to get my hands on. It was;

FILBY (Corbit, "Welsh Emigration to Pennsylvania, An Old Charter Party," p.30-32) (ALSO IN: Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biograpby, v.1, p.330-332, Per PA)

These references contain bibliographic and biographic information on the Welsh Particular and Welsh Primitive Baptist migration from Ma to Pa. Research information like this could possibly solve the mysteries that several seem to be working on. Perhaps if we pool efforts and then share information, this can be simplified. I have been at this for 10 years. I have had loads of fun and have learned lots, but I am ready for some real progress. This may be the door leading to many of the clues needed. The bibliographic information apparently lists reference works that tell all the boats that the Celtic Tribes from Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Isle of Man, and North England. So far every researcher on the Rial family has ended up right here. I located other information providing clues as to this migration.

Welsh-Rial Border Dwellers
The Welsh-Rial along the Welsh/English border and the border dwellers along the Irish and Scotch borders, entered America bringing with them their Ancient Celtic Warrior sprirt and training. They moved quickly into the surrounding countryside, and in the words of one official, simply squatted wherever they found "a spot of vacant land." The Quakers were not happy about this invasion. "Our people are in pain," wrote Jonathan Dickinson in 1717, "From the north of Ireland many hundreds [have come]." The North Britons brought with them the ancient border habit of belligerence toward other ethnic groups. As early as 1730, Pennsylvania officials were complaining of their "audacious and disorderly manner." One of them wrote, "I must own from my own experience in the land office that the settlement of five families from Ireland gives me more trouble than fifty of any other people. Before we were now broke in upon, ancient Friends and first settlers lived happily; but now the case is quite altered."

Persecution of Welsh Baptists in the U.S.
Among Quakers there was talk of restricting immigration as early as 1718, by "laying a Duty of 5 pounds a head on some sorts and double on others." But this idea cut against the grain of William Penn's holy experiment, and was not adopted. Instead, the Quakers decided to deal with the problem in a different way, by encouraging the borderers to settle in the "back parts" of the colony.

Back Country Settlers
In 1731, James Logan informed the Penns in England that he was deliberately planting the North Britons in the west, "as a frontier in case of any disturbance. " Logan argued that these people might usefully become a buffer population between the Indians and the Quakers. At the same time, he frankly hoped to rid the east of them. With much encouragement from Quaker leaders, the North Britons moved rapidly westward from Philadelphia into the rolling hills of the interior. Many drifted south and west along the mountains of Maryland, Virginia and the Carolinas. They gradually became the dominant English-speaking culture in a broad belt of territory that extended from the highlands of Appalachia through much of the Old Southwest. In the nineteenth century, they moved across the Mississippi River to Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas. By the twentieth century, their influence would be felt as far west as New Mexico, Arizona and southern California.

My ancestors that I am familar with were warriors also. Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam all had warriors from my family, and that is only the part I know about. From the time that the Romans conquered the Celtic lands in the third century, until the Celtic migration to the United States, they had been in constant battle. The fittest warriors were the border-dwellers. The border-dwellers, raised families while fighting with one hand. A large group of the Rial family were Loyalists to the English Throne, at the time of the Revolution. William Royall, Isaac Royall, and many Rial, Riall, Ryall, and so on boarded ships and went to Nova Scotia and Newfoundland as the British were marching into Lexington and Concord. General Phineas Riall who so effectively defended Canada from the Revolutionarys was descended from these Loyalists who had been in Ma, but went to Canada. Well, I'm out of breath :-) so I will stop.


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